there is a green flipping frenzy going on

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GronK said:
My condolences to those who got in on the pre-order. It's obvious from the first couple of pages of this thread that some kind of evil karma was created which put those individuals in serious financial straits during the wait for availability.
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Thanks. I resemble that remark! :0) At the time, I had just really gotten into knives and had no idea I was an evil capitalist flipper at heart :0)

In the end, it's just a knife. There's lots of stuff out there for people to buy at every conceivable price point. None of our lives will be adversely affected by not having the Green PM2 or any other blade. A Delica will do the job just as well. Early last year I had to have an Orange PM2, but couldn't bring myself to pay $200 for a $140 knife. I still don't have one and probably never will. Prices on those have gone up even more. Collectors seem to be willing to pay the higher prices. I'm more of a "enthusiastic user" and just aren't.
 
jbmonkey said:
this is nothing more than supply and demand forces going on. not enough supply for the demand...price rises. if people weren't willing to pay the prices and/or the supply wasn't less than the demand....... it wouldn't happen.
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True, but just because the price rises doesn't mean that the intrinsic value of the product has risen. Nor does a price increase magically imbue the product with the same level of quality as knives that have the same selling price but whose prices have not risen. That's where becoming an educated buyer and understanding the concept of opportunity cost come in.
 
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Over the years, I have had passionate feelings on both sides of this issue. I used to find myself getting emotionally involved and fired up over something I have no control over. For me, what it boils down to is this: If someone decides to sell their knife, it is none of my business. Whatever price one pays or sells a knife for is between buyer and seller. That's pretty much it for me.
 
Yep. But I still don't think it's a bad idea to know when I'm overpaying for something even if I choose to disregard that fact.
 
bld522 said:
True, but just because the price rises doesn't mean that the intrinsic value of the product has risen. Nor does a price increase magically imbue the product with the same level of quality as knives that have the same selling price but whose prices have not risen. That's where becoming an educated buyer and understanding the concept of opportunity cost come in.
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Yes, I agree again. I always wondered why some people don't differentiate from instrinsic value and intangible value. Especially when they start with the "it's worth what someone will pay for it". Just because someone will pay an inflated price doesn't mean that the cost of materials and labor doesn't remain the same.
 
RevDevil said:
it's simply priceless to me....
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Haha, reminds me of a certain tribe here in the Philippines who are very combative. They let their chickens loose and when one becomes roadkill, including in the price they charge the driver, is the "loneliness" they feel for the chicken. :D
 
singularity35 said:
Haha, reminds me of a certain tribe here in the Philippines who are very combative. They let their chickens loose and when one becomes roadkill, including in the price they charge the driver, is the "loneliness" they feel for the chicken. :D
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They do that over there too? Small world for sure. :D
 
fwiw- I once OVERpaid for a Christmas CQC7. I sold that knife and will never overpay for a knife again. But, I know how it is when the fever hits.
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What's wrong with capitalism? If you don't want to pay $300 for the knife, then don't! Maybe they are well worth $300 to some people.
 
singularity35 said:
Yes, I agree again. I always wondered why some people don't differentiate from instrinsic value and intangible value. Especially when they start with the "it's worth what someone will pay for it". Just because someone will pay an inflated price doesn't mean that the cost of materials and labor doesn't remain the same.
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In a weird kind of way, letting prices rise to the degree I've seen in some cases is practically an insult to the knifemaker. I mean, what kind of businessperson is it that has no idea what the real value of their product is and would let flippers and the like take advantage of them? Hell, I'd rather see these makers set up charitable foundations, increase prices of their products to whatever the market will bear, take whatever they don't need over and above their normal profit margin, and donate the rest to charity.
 
bld522 said:
In a weird kind of way, letting prices rise to the degree I've seen in some cases is practically an insult to the knifemaker. I mean, what kind of businessperson is it that has no idea what the real value of their product is and would let flippers and the like take advantage of them? Hell, I'd rather see these makers set up charitable foundations, increase prices of their products to whatever the market will bear, take whatever they don't need over and above their normal profit margin, and donate the rest to charity.
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Explain how the knife maker is suffering from people flipping knives? Also, explain how if the knife maker inflated prices, that the flippers wouldn't simply do the same? We would be in the same position, but with higher prices. Supply and demand would still be the same, but the prices would be higher.
 
Jay_Ev said:
Over the years, I have had passionate feelings on both sides of this issue. I used to find myself getting emotionally involved and fired up over something I have no control over. For me, what it boils down to is this: If someone decides to sell their knife, it is none of my business. Whatever price one pays or sells a knife for is between buyer and seller. That's pretty much it for me.
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The-Stig said:
What's wrong with capitalism? If you don't want to pay $300 for the knife, then don't! Maybe they are well worth $300 to some people.
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The-Stig said:
Explain how the knife maker is suffering from people flipping knives? Also, explain how if the knife maker inflated prices, that the flippers wouldn't simply do the same? We would be in the same position, but with higher prices. Supply and demand would still be the same, but the prices would be higher.
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There's nothing we can say that will change your mind. Reverse holds true too. ;)
 
It's not just my opinion, either something is true or false. This probably isn't the place to discuss such matters though. At least, that's the vibe I get from this place.
 
The-Stig said:
What's wrong with capitalism? If you don't want to pay $300 for the knife, then don't! Maybe they are well worth $300 to some people.
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Given the value and quality of pm2 s in general, and the promise of the steel upgrade, an argument can be made that these are worth 300 dollars. Especially when compared with other scarce knives like the 800 dollar Hinderers. I don t blame people for selling their knives for whatever they can get. I plan on keeping mine and using it.
 
The-Stig said:
It's not just my opinion, either something is true or false. This probably isn't the place to discuss such matters though. At least, that's the vibe I get from this place.
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That too is just your opinion, in my position. We'll never convince each other otherwise.

It seems to be the way of BF these days. Two people take opposite positions and each side tries to convince the other side with various arguments and logic techniques. Then after a few pages of acrimony, they wind up each with the same position as when they started.

I'm proposing to cut out the pages of back and forth and go directly back to our previous positions without the back and forth. Just put in each of our views and opinions and not try to convince the other and not try to demand explanations of each one's position. Saves heartache, doesn't it? :D
 
bld522 said:
In a weird kind of way, letting prices rise to the degree I've seen in some cases is practically an insult to the knifemaker. I mean, what kind of businessperson is it that has no idea what the real value of their product is and would let flippers and the like take advantage of them? Hell, I'd rather see these makers set up charitable foundations, increase prices of their products to whatever the market will bear, take whatever they don't need over and above their normal profit margin, and donate the rest to charity.
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Who defines intrinsic value? Try to by a da Vinci original. I don't think it's intrinsic value has gone up. It's not even NIB. The price has sure gone up! All I see here is shorter time window on a different piece of work.
 
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