Thief--Kershaw1085--on Bladeforums: What to Do?

[RevDevil]

Yup. i won't be buying here unless it's a forum member i'm familiar with. No chance.

No need to be all paranoid though, that is why everyone that has anything to sell or trade has feedback on their profile. If it's good with positive comments, you will be safe. If it's not then be cautious.

 

[ASBOB]

If I'm not miss taken he has offered a skyline up for trade a couple of times in the last week. Is that the one he got from you?

Yup, that's the one.

I would love to get back my knife or the price, but I don't expect anything from someone like him.

I do feel strongly that he should be banned.

Mods? Comment? Can anyone let them know about this situation?

Re: trading in general: I think Bladeforums members are a terrific bunch of folks. I have continued selling/trading, with nothing but good results. As in the past.

As one of the posters remarked, we have nothing here but our honor; I guard mine carefully.

 

[Knife Crazied]

SNIP
As one of the posters remarked, we have nothing here but our honor; I guard mine carefully.

I agree 100%! :thumbup:

As for the Kershaw1985 or whatever this is 2 threads in like a week! He needs to step up to the plate!

 

[dttomcat]

I don't think he will. If he doesn't then he needs to go. How about some actual info. Real name, email, etc..

 

[BigBrad75]

That's just plain awful.
The mods should definitely come into play in situations like these.
At the VERY least ban the guy. It's kinda scary to think that behavior like this goes completely unpunished. Once is bad enough, but twice?
I rarely browse the G.B.&U., maybe I need to start doing so more often.

 

[Flatsman007]

I like it here and hate to hear these types of stories. Always looks at the itrader rating and if you are suspect and you have positive feedback and they have no feedback ask them to ship first. This is not disrespectful at all it's just being cautious. I have done several transactions with people with no feedback and had no problems but if something looks fishy just back away. That's what I think. Hope to not have any problems myself. Good luck in the future. There are alot of good people here.

 

[1066vik]

USPS has a mail fraud division.
have you filed with them yet?
you have all the email communications and the delivery confirmation for your knife and the current trade listing - file the paperwork, give them copies of everything, see if they can get you your knife back.

 

[dericdesmond]

Told him I didnt wanna trade due to the recent complaints I read and he replied sayin he got appendicitis. Lets see the scar kershaw1085
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=795139

would you be interested in a BNIB leatherman surge, BNIB kershaw skyline, BNIB benchmade benchmite?



thanks,pat

Hi pat, I read about your trade ways in this thread here so Im gonna have to pass :thumbdn:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=792276

i would be willing to trade first and send pics... all because i suddenly got appendicitis and had to go to the hospital and couldn't send the package in a timely manner.



thanks,pat

 

[BigBrad75]

"... all because i suddenly got appendicitis and had to go to the hospital and couldn't send the package in a timely manner."
WOW! This dude is GOOD! Watch out! lol

 

[risen]

...he replied sayin he got appendicitis. Lets see the scar kershaw1085
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=795139

With the deal I had posted about, one of the excuses kershaw1085 had given was that he had gotten hurt at work, then was on meds. Considering the time frame, I'm definitely seeing a pattern.

I'll be happy to provide my emails to the Admins/Mods upon request.

Hope this guy doesn't get the opportunity to work his way up to more expensive stuff.

Correction:

My apologies. When I first read the thing about kershaw1085's appendicitis, I thought it was in reference to a different trade, not the one I posted about.

I now realize kershaw1085's claim of appendicitis was regarding my trade with him. So, I went back to the emails to make sure I accurately list his excuses.

He never mentioned appendicitis.

First, he said he was working overtime. Then, he said he got hurt at work. Then, he said he was taking meds for his back.

Damn, I should've given him a negative.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Don't worry about it. He's gotten his negative right here.

 

[Josh K]

I'm new to this forum ,just signed up for Gold status .
I'm not happy with the Exchange forum . I have been a member of another site that has some good rules.

One basic rule is no deals via PM'S the first " I'll take it " gets it ...period it has to be posted ..
If a member violates the rules -they're gone .
Trading is tough and you can not sell umless a gold member here
I'm too old to play games ... Moderators need to be the enforcers .
Why should anyone get ripped off??

Why no deals via PM's? It's not an auction block, I'll sell to whoever I want.

 

[Klingsteve]

Told him I didnt wanna trade due to the recent complaints I read and he replied sayin he got appendicitis. Lets see the scar kershaw1085
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=795139

Maybe his dog ate it. I get that a lot from my students regarding their homework!

Seriously, given the number of complaints and feedback from the HONEST members of this forum, he should be a "persona non grata." Translation: Ban him! But how do you prevent someone from re-joining under another name? I'm curious if there are any provisions regarding that.

I take a lot of pride in my reputation, as do 99.9 % of the members here. All we have is our word and follow-up actions. That's the only way this trade / sell thing can work.

If anyone is EVER dissatisfied with my transactions, I wanna know about it and I wanna know about it IMMEDIATELY. Most of us feel that way.

OP, I'm sorry for your loss. But thanks for the heads-up.

-- Steve

 

[risen]

Why no deals via PM's? It's not an auction block, I'll sell to whoever I want.

You still could sell to whoever you want using the "by post only" system (no PM). You just couldn't do it privately.

My guess is that by conducting deals only via posts, the deal would remain in the public eye, for all to see.

I think that'd be a good thing. It'd help discourage dishonesty, imo.

Plus, with many eyes on a deal, more likely someone would catch a person trying to pull something, I believe.

We'd be able to help/support one another a little more for trades & sales. Back each other up.

I like it.

I'm glad we're having this discussion now. Posting stuff like this here may help keep guys like kershaw1085 from continuing to do what I see as ripping people off.

Conducting trades/sales by post-to-thread only might prevent many more ripp-offs from happening to begin with.

All that said, let me make this absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting we make any changes/additions to established BladeForum guidelines (perish the thought). I'm just saying I see some reasoning in what mfm22 stated.

 

[Josh K]

You still could sell to whoever you want using the "by post only" system (no PM). You just couldn't do it privately.

My guess is that by conducting deals only via posts, the deal would remain in the public eye, for all to see.

Which may or may not be desired.

I think that'd be a good thing. It'd help discourage dishonesty, imo.

Plus, with many eyes on a deal, more likely someone would catch a person trying to pull something, I believe.

And more likely to assume someone is "trying to pull something." IMO GBU is already filled with people waiting to criticize and blame people they may have not even ever dealt with. Does getting ripped off suck? Yes. Does it mean we need four pages of posts about the situation? No.

We'd be able to help/support one another a little more for trades & sales. Back each other up.

I like it.

Or tear each other down. It's a two way street. I for one will not be exposing my trades, buys, or sells, to the public eye without a reason.

 

[risen]

Which may or may not be desired.

Don't see why not. Why hide? Using a forum to conduct business, but don't want to conduct it openly within the forum?

Guess I'd pass, then.

And more likely to assume someone is "trying to pull something."

It's already been repeatedly stated that there's a growing number of deals going bad. So, there's nothing to assume. People *are* trying to pull something.

IMO GBU is already filled with people waiting to criticize and blame people they may have not even ever dealt with..

As you said, your opinion. We don't all have to agree.

Hey, if everyone honored their word in a deal, these posts wouldn't be here in the first place.

Does getting ripped off suck? Yes. Does it mean we need four pages of posts about the situation? No

Again, your opinion.

I believe the majority does believe it's needed to keep others from getting ripped off by the same culprits.

I know I certainly appreciate it.

Or tear each other down.

Only tearing down a dishonest person, exposing what they're doing.

Perfectly justified to me.

It's a two way street.

Absolutely. Here, we can praise folks for going above and beyond in a deal, too.

I for one will not be exposing my trades, buys, or sells, to the public eye without a reason.

I, for one (but I'm sure not the only one), will not be doing any trading/business with you.

Why conduct business in the shadows?

If initial offers/posts are openly posted for all to see anyway (to attract trader/buyers), why all of the sudden take it behind closed doors?

I've certainly got nothing to hide, and would rather do business in the light of day, so to speak.

 

[risen]

Btw, there is another advantage to keeping deals open via posts.

We can keep track of the stuff that guys like kershaw1085 got from doing questionable deals. In that thread where he claimed appendicitis, I believe he's pushing a Skyline and a Benchmite, which I believe are the same two knives he got from me and ASBOB (the Benchmite from me and the Syline from ASBOB).

Who'd want to deal with a person who got these knives the way he did? Who'd want that bad karma?

I can see where some guys might want to keep deals behind closed doors. They're either in a process of continually trying to trade up, or their looking to make a profit.

What's funny about what you said, Josh K, about this not being an auction block, is that the way you want to do things is how some auctions work, like eBay. Bidders remain confidential. Some get stuff for a song, then turn around and post it for sale at a higher price. Those types of folks don't even like posting/exchanging feedback because it would make it easier for others to trace an item and see what the seller got it for, etc... .

Again, let me make this absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting we change/add anything (never again). Just having a conversation here.

 

[tonym]

Why is Kershaw1085 still a member here? Has he been questioned by the Mods about these deals.

If he ripped people off he needs to be banned IMO.

 

[BigBrad75]

Very well put, in my opinion. Makes sense to me.

Btw, there is another advantage to keeping deals open via posts.

We can keep track of the stuff that guys like kershaw1085 got from doing questionable deals. In that thread where he claimed appendicitis, I believe he's pushing a Skyline and a Benchmite, which I believe are the same two knives he got from me and ASBOB (the Benchmite from me and the Syline from ASBOB).

Who'd want to deal with a person who got these knives the way he did? Who'd want that bad karma?

I can see where some guys might want to keep deals behind closed doors. They're either in a process of continually trying to trade up, or their looking to make a profit.

What's funny about what you said, Josh K, about this not being an auction block, is that the way you want to do things is how some auctions work, like eBay. Bidders remain confidential. Some get stuff for a song, then turn around and post it for sale at a higher price. Those types of folks don't even like posting/exchanging feedback because it would make it easier for others to trace an item and see what the seller got it for, etc... .

Again, let me make this absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting we change/add anything (never again). Just having a conversation here.

 

[Josh K]

Don't see why not. Why hide? Using a forum to conduct business, but don't want to conduct it openly within the forum?

I have a right to keep my deals private. Suddenly this is suspicious? This forum doesn't mandate that my dealings be made public so I choose not to make them public.

It's already been repeatedly stated that there's a growing number of deals going bad. So, there's nothing to assume. People *are* trying to pull something.

No, some people are trying to pull something. Assuming everyone is doing so is a poor attitude.

I believe the majority does believe it's needed to keep others from getting ripped off by the same culprits.

I think you're wrong.

Only tearing down a dishonest person, exposing what they're doing.
Perfectly justified to me.

Whatever. You're deluding yourself.

Absolutely. Here, we can praise folks for going above and beyond in a deal, too.

Why praise people for doing the right thing?

I, for one (but I'm sure not the only one), will not be doing any trading/business with you.

In order to do business with me you would have to have something I wanted. I'm not sure what the threat of losing you as a potential person with which I can do business is all about, but I have well enough proven myself an honest person with multiple transactions as buyer, seller, trader, and in pass-arounds. Not that you bothered to check.

Why conduct business in the shadows?

Shadows? You've been watching too much daytime TV if you think transacting via email or PM's is "shadows."

If initial offers/posts are openly posted for all to see anyway (to attract trader/buyers), why all of the sudden take it behind closed doors?

Maybe because it's not anyone else's business?

I've certainly got nothing to hide, and would rather do business in the light of day, so to speak.

Whilst I go about like a scoundrel making shady deals via PM's with people. Right?