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runningboar said:
No a filet knife would be better to filet a Brook trout, a mora would be better than a filet knife to clean a brook trout.

If I am new at this survival thing there are a whole lot of people that have been doing it a long time who must also be new at it.

If you think that you need a busse and you think it is worth the money, rock on, buy a truck full of them and feel free to poke a little good natured fun at us rednecks that think Old Timer is the be all end all knife, but don't tell us we are full of crap because we don't agree with you. I can assure you my knives work very well for me and do everything I ask of them, no I don't chop concrete or bend them just to see how far they will bend, they do however perform wonderfully for the things I do use them for. Chris
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Nobody was attacking your choice of knife. The responses are to the people who are trying to put down high quality knives out of ignorance. Nobody ever said you need a Busse or Custom knife, but denying the existence of that quality is foolishness. I am totally glad you like and use your knives. I also like and use my knives. :thumbup:
 
The bushman is just a darn good piece of equipment. Ive fancied my bushman up quite a bit with a turkshead knot on each end of the handle and paracord wrap. epoxy coated the whole thing. then made a kydex sheath. total investment is still under $40.00
I have used it to spear a large Ray in Mexico. pined the Ray right to the bottom in the sand and rocks. freshened up the edge in just a minuet filleted the Ray out cut fire wood and had a BBQ on the beach.
my cheap knife now has character and memory's that my 'good knives' will probably never develop.
www.animatedknots.com for how to tie a turkshead.
www.northcoastknives.com has tutorials on kydex sheath making and handle wrapping.very helpful folks here.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Nobody was attacking your choice of knife. The responses are to the people who are trying to put down high quality knives out of ignorance. Nobody ever said you need a Busse or Custom knife, but denying the existence of that quality is foolishness. I am totally glad you like and use your knives. I also like and use my knives. :thumbup:
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So what are we talking about, I didn't knock your knives, some people like seikos some like rolexes.

You and cobalt are the ones that jumped in here and started knocking us, like the statement of buying lots of moras for the price of a busse, that is not knocking busse just a true statement. Your statement about cheap disposable knives was a knock too, as a matter of fact I see it just the opposite, that yall are looking down on people that don't use your idea of quality.

Now if you want an attack I will give you one, anyone that would pay 500 dollars for an overbuilt, overpriced, copy of a roman short sword that is good for nothing besides showing off to your mall ninja friends is more concerned with image than skill. That mister Finkenstein is an attack, just as your posts have been attacks. Chris
 
runningboar said:
No a filet knife would be better to filet a Brook trout, a mora would be better than a filet knife to clean a brook trout.

If I am new at this survival thing there are a whole lot of people that have been doing it a long time who must also be new at it.

If you think that you need a busse and you think it is worth the money, rock on, buy a truck full of them and feel free to poke a little good natured fun at us rednecks that think Old Timer is the be all end all knife, but don't tell us we are full of crap because we don't agree with you. I can assure you my knives work very well for me and do everything I ask of them, no I don't chop concrete or bend them just to see how far they will bend, they do however perform wonderfully for the things I do use them for. Chris
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Well, you all had a good laugh poking fun at Busse/Swamp/Scrap. I was not poking fun at you, but funny when a little heat is returned your way how defensive you get. I have no problem with any knife you own and I find that if it works for you that is fine.:thumbup:

You slam Busse/Swamp/Scrap and then get defensive when I show you what they are good for. I have broken many knives in real world situations. If you have not broken a knife than you have not been in a situation that required you to think out of the box and use your knife in a means that it may not have been intended for. That is real survival.
 
No, I am not looking down on you at all. My opinion is different strokes for different folks. If you read the thread, there are several people ignorantly trying to put down quality knives because they are more expensive than cheapies. Saying that the Mora is disposable is not a knock on them, it is a simple fact- which is one reason they kick ass and are a good value. Saying that a company or products you have no experience with are overhyped or overpriced is hype born of ignorance. In this thread, and in this sub forum in particular there is a lot of snobbery. There is the anti-"expensive knives" folks, and the anti-"big knives" folks. If stating the fact that a Mora is not on a level of quality to a Custom or top level production knife is seen as a knock on anything, then you have issues beyond the discussion at hand.
 
The realy funny thing about it all. Is when it comes to push and shove. I bet that if you Cobalt were in a plane crush and all you had was a mora in the plane you would have made out just as if you had a Busse. On the flip side i bet that if you RunningBoar Were stuck in the woods and all you had was a Big Busse you would have come out same as if you had a Mora. At some point both of you might have said your self wow its nice i had this blade for __________ today.
Cobalt i think you took it too hard as if someone attacked you personaly. I dont think anyone on here has any intention to put anyone down. It seems that the big blade and small blade thing is going on for ever. The funny thing none of us sees anyone dead bodies laying around with a small blade in the hand. Same no one dies out there if they have a large blade. Both work as well and we just get used to what we like and make it work for our style. I bet if all the arguments were put aside. And the two of you went to the woods togher im sure you would have borrowed each other knifes for those 10% even if you would be perfectly fine the rest of the 90%.

Sasha
 
I never really considered the possibility that I would have to attack rock, I think my tool selection is now totally out of kilter. I definitely need a rock-killing knife, I will rest easy knowing that I possess a knife that will kill a rock.

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Wow, I never would have imagined this:

2-22-07 AP

Man attacked at Yellowstone National Park -

John Sleet-

Terrence Flambeu, a hiker from Michigan visiting the wilds of Yellowstone National Park was arrested this morning for possession of a deadly weapon on park grounds.

"I don't understand why I was arrested, I really don't. Now I'm going to have to get a lawyer and lose time from work and have a lot of travel expenses in the future to attend court." Flambeu said...he told the story of how while showering in one of the parks bathrooms he was accosted by a cinderblock that weighed approximately seven pounds.

"I was terrifed," Flambeu said, remembering the attack which almost left him with a dented cranium, "I thought that thing was going to kill me, then I thought, 'what about my kids? They're right outside with my wife,' and I had to act."

Flambeu wrestled the block to the floor of the shower and after drawing his Busse Flintstone, a large knife, he destroyed the cinderblock.

Now the question becomes, why did he have the knife in the first place and just why are government cinderblocks attacking innocent people who carry large knives in the showers of Yellowstone National Park.

Flambeu maintains his innocence, "If the government is not going to do background checks on their cinderblocks and stuff, then I have a right to carry a knife like this to deal with the problem. Thank God I had a knife like this that was capable of breaking this rock down."

Flambeu was arrested last year for disassembling a Toyota Prias with a Kukri after the owner of the Prias spit on his Hummer H2 in a Wal-Mart parking lot outside of Oshkosh, Wisconsin.
 
runningboar said:
So what are we talking about, I didn't knock your knives, some people like seikos some like rolexes.

You and cobalt are the ones that jumped in here and started knocking us, like the statement of buying lots of moras for the price of a busse, that is not knocking busse just a true statement. Your statement about cheap disposable knives was a knock too, as a matter of fact I see it just the opposite, that yall are looking down on people that don't use what is your idea of quality.
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like this?

EmsRescueGuy said:
I once heard someone say " Any iddiot can buy a good $500 bottle of wine but a connasuer (sp) can find a $20 bottle thats just as good"

I believe the same is true of knives.
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The Chef said:
. INFI = hype and Lynn Thompson got nothin on Busse knives for that.
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GibsonFan said:
From what I gather from their website, ScrapYard is Busse without the quality control.
Oops, now I'm the one talkin' smack... :D
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Chris,
I have no problem with Mora's, Bushman or whatever else you like. Whatever it is, be proficient with it. I am with mine. But this thread came off as slamming a good product and I will admit that it was only a few in this thread that slammed it.

I think it is wise to have an open mind. Don't knock any knife until you have tried it. There was tons of knocking going around here. I won't knock mora's until I try one or two. Fact is that even if they fail me I will not knock them or speak of it since it is just my own business and I am not out to hurt any product line, unless they feel it necessary to attack mine.

Oh, PS: In supporting Cold Steel, you are supporting what appears to me as a Rip Off artist. The Strider Rip Off is a blatant example. And then he brought Striders past issues that had been over and done with back out and used it in his advertising, how sleazy. Does integrity matter. Whatever Striders past, Lynn had no reason to use it to hype up his product. CS products sell no matter what. Why drag someones name through the mudd and bring up past issues that were already dealt with. Sorry off topic.

I understand this forum has people with a certain type of taste. I apologize to those who feel I mocked their knife of choice. I did not intend that. I just spoke up against those that mocked my knife of choice.

take care
 
Don Rearic said:
I never really considered the possibility that I would have to attack rock, I think my tool selection is now totally out of kilter. I definitely need a rock-killing knife, I will rest easy knowing that I possess a knife that will kill a rock..
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Ok, now that was funny.:thumbup:


When you buy a Busse, this sharpener comes with it. I bet you'll buy a few busses now!!!

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Cobalt said:
Oh, PS: In supporting Cold Steel, you are supporting what appears to me as a Rip Off artist. The Strider Rip Off is a blatant example. And then he brought Striders past issues that had been over and done with back out and used it in his advertising, how sleazy. Does integrity matter. Whatever Striders past, Lynn had no reason to use it to hype up his product. CS products sell no matter what. Why drag someones name through the mudd and bring up past issues that were already dealt with. Sorry off topic.
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Kevin is going to make money no matter what, was his thread here on BFC about Mick Strider sleazy as well? Did it serve a purpose?

You should be prevented from turning any meaningful thread that has Cold Steel in it into a toilet along with your bud in this thread. This is what you're doing and you're obviously an intelligent person that is becoming an annoying troll because you drink too much knife industry Haterade.
 
The last time I spoke with Jerry, several years ago at the Blade Show, he had a beautiful sharpener walking around with him. :D
 
Don Rearic said:
The last time I spoke with Jerry, several years ago at the Blade Show, he had a beautiful sharpener walking around with him. :D
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LOL. that sharpener was sold and he bought a new one:D


Don Rearic said:
Kevin is going to make money no matter what, was his thread here on BFC about Mick Strider sleazy as well? Did it serve a purpose?

You should be prevented from turning any meaningful thread that has Cold Steel in it into a toilet along with your bud in this thread. This is what you're doing and you're obviously an intelligent person that is becoming an annoying troll because you drink too much knife industry Haterade.
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I agree with you. I did not feel it necessary to drag anyone through the mudd.By the way Strider is not my bud and I do not own any of his knives so I do not care one way or the other. I just feel CS could have done away with the character defamation part of his advertisement.
 
To be honest, I don't feel comfortable bringing any knife over 100$ with me on a camping/andoutdorrsthing trip.
Eg. If I were to drop my Gerber Gator pocket knife into the lake, it would suck, but I would buy a new one and that would be the end of that. If, however, I were to drop, say, a Randall into that same lake, I would be distraught.

When it comes down to it, knives are JUST TOOLS. Sure, that guy next door with the 500$ power drill might be able to take screws out really fast and noisily, but the guy next door with the hand screwdriver from the dollar store can do the EXACT SAME THING.

I have NEVER heard a single story where someone with a knife from a reputable company died from knife breakage.
 
Cobalt said:
LOL. that sharpener was sold and he bought a new one:D
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That sharpener sure was a pretty one. She turned a lot of heads. Some people that were drooling later said some not so nice things and I stood there in disbelief...silently...looking at the hypocrites I had surrounded myself with.

Read the Why Lynn Thompson Rules thread for my thoughts on that sort of thing. That's why I firmly believe most of the B.S. posted about what is better and who is better and why is just that - B.S.

I agree with you.
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I'm glad, I would hate for you to ask me how many kittens I have drowned lately, as Thomas Linton did tonight in the aforementioned thread. :D

I did not feel it necessary to drag anyone through the mudd.
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It's a time honored internet tradition, especially on forums. It's old and I'm tired of it but must say I have enjoyed the typed sparring over the past few days. It's been a while.

By the way Strider is not my bud and I do not own any of his knives so I do not care one way or the other.
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I hope he does well and I wish him well. I think he should stop promoting the company that way, saying the things he says, he appears to be his own worst enemy or believes there is no such thing as bad press. :::shrug:::

I just feel CS could have done away with the character defamation part of his advertisement.
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www.dictionary.com lists "defamation" as:

–noun the act of defaming; false or unjustified injury of the good reputation of another, as by slander or libel; calumny: She sued the magazine for defamation of character.

Mick Strider is an admitted felon. All public evidence that has been gathered has proven this. There was no defamation of character.

This is what gets me about internet forums, people don't even know the definition of the words they use to prop up weak arguments. :)
 
I like knives like the bushman saks and moras,they seem to please me more than more expensive knives,they may not be the best but a good cheap knife Is one you'l use and enjoy,but if you spend a ton of cash its easy to find flaws.
Just some random thoughts:rolleyes:
 
Wow, I am usually the butthead! :rolleyes:

I don't see what Thompson nor Strider have anything to do with anything in the Wilderness & Survival forum. Take this mess to GBU for those who want that kind of drama. (Cobalt, not aimed at you, you even mentioned "off topic").

I own Moras, I own a few Busse's and a few things in between.
I can argue all sides of these arguments , economics, quality, usage, whatever. However it's pointless.

To each his own.

I would no more knock what car someone drives, nor the house they live in, big or small, cheap or expensive. To each his own. Live and let live.

When I was a young man, I dug holes for a living. I cursed rich people "rich bastards" as they drove their big cars and pulled up to their big houses.
Somehow it seemed wrong. Well, fast forward several decades, and after working my ass off, I am now that "bastard" who drives an expensive car and has a nice house. I feel pretty dumb now. Those people did not warrant my over-generalized outlook toward them.
But, I also remember uppity rich people who treated workmen like crap, like underlings, and that I won't forget either. They gave other people of means a bad name. But to paint them all one way, or the other is wrong.

When the Cableguy or FuelOil man comes to my house, the first thing I do is offer them a soda or cup of coffee. They are no different than I.
I remember back to when I was the young guy digging the hole in the yard.
And I hope that one day, after working their asses off, they too will appreciate
some finer things, and always remember we are all the same, no matter what car we drive, what house we live in, or what knives we buy. ;)

To each, his own. :thumbup:

This thread had bad karma from the original post's title. "This should ruffle some feathers", and it has lived up to it's title, ruffling feathers of guys who are normally fun loving and easy going.
I think it's a haunted thread and is making sane men crazy. :eek:

Kick back, relax, and appreciate what each person brings to the table.

Life is too short to be that concerned about what the next guy has in his sheath, whether it's a Mora or a Busse.
 
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