Tip up or down?

Educating. ;)
 
Oh I thought you meant the video. Naw, man I can't brag about what was given to me. I sometimes say I have large hands, but I know guys with bigger hands than mine, so I don't really know the right category. I think I have skinny fingers, but they are longish, and my hand width is... average?? I really don't know.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
CM was master of the waveā€¦ RIP tomorrow ?
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Matt had some of the ugliest wave mods LOL he gave no clucks. He'd grind a hook into whatever blade, functional as hell though. Then emerson sent him a cease and desist letter (rolles eyes). He even drilled a hole and pressed a pin into it to wave which I thought was creative. I don't know the day he passed, I remember the announcement thread but I don't think that was the day.

RIP Matt, I think of him often and I used the knife he made custom for me 2 days ago.
 
Unfortunately I canā€™t right now but in a couple of months, hopefully, Iā€™ll be able to show you.
 
Wow! I am not 'slow on the draw', but I honestly am not too concerned about being the "Fastest Knife in the West". Or East, South or North for that matter.

It's hard for me to believe that there's much of a chance that I'll be in a situation where that my life with depend on whether I am a second or two slow deploying my knife ( or perhaps milliseconds, for you professional knife slingers ), but if I am, it means that every other security measure and safety precaution I have taken has FAILED, because my knife is my 'last ditch' option, right before hands. I'm not bringing improvised (found or ambient) weapons into the discussion, because whether my knife would still be my very next-to-last ditch option or not depends on what the improvised weapon was, and there's no way to know that in advance.

I guess if I wasn't happily married, I could take a pretty lady on a picnic to a secluded romantic spot and try to impress her with how fast I could "whip it out"... my knife, that is.

To peel the apples and slice the roast beef for sandwiches.

I guess on the days when I carry a traditional in a slip, I'm a sitting duck. Who knew?
 
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rje58 said:
It's hard for me to believe that there's much of a chance that I'll be in a situation where that my life with depend on whether I am a second or two slow deploying my knife
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Same here. It's about convenience.
 
rje58 said:
Wow! I am not 'slow on the draw', but I honestly am not too concerned about being the "Fastest Knife in the West". Or East, South or North for that matter.

It's hard for me to believe that there's much of a chance that I'll be in a situation where that my life with depend on whether I am a second or two slow deploying my knife ( or perhaps milliseconds, for you professional knife slingers ), but if I am, it means that every other security measure and safety precaution I have taken has FAILED, because my knife is my 'last ditch' option, right before hands. I'm am not bringing improvised (found or ambient) weapons into the discussion, because whether my knife would still be my very next-to-last ditch option or not depends on what the improvised weapon was, and there's no way to know that in advance.

I guess if I wasn't happily married, I could take a pretty lady on a picnic to a secluded romantic spot and try to impress her with how fast I could "whip it out"... my knife, that is.

To peel the apples and slice the roast beef for sandwiches.

I guess on the days when I carry a traditional in a slip, I'm a sitting duck. Who knew?
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Just because you have the ability to whip it out fast does not mean you have to lol We are knife nuts discussing rather unimportant details in the grand scheme of things, but it is par for the course on a knife forum šŸ˜
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Not really if you think about itā€¦ You pull the knife out of your pocket with the two fingers you will most likely use for operating the thumb-stud or to flip the hole. This is not ā€œless repositioningā€
You have to bring the knife up, where your hand rotates and you can grip the handle, reposition and open the blade.
With tip up, you can use fob. It gives you the ability to pull the knife basicaly with your pinkie and ring finger, when your other fingers are gripping the body of the knife when it clears the pocket.
This way your grip require less positioning, your thumb is free to push the stud and if you keep the knife right there, instead bringing it up, the gravity helps you with opening the blade, and you donā€™t show everybody that you have a knife in your hand.
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Nope. Nope. Nope. Not even close. With tip down, you pull it out of your pocket pinching near the pivot, and as your bring your hand around to the front of your body, the knife naturally falls into the perfect hand position. It's just so much more convenient than tip up.

You must only carry extremely short knives or have giant paws if you can pull it out by a fob with your last 2 fingers and still have a prayer of reaching the thumbstud without scooting your hand up the handle.
 
shinyedges said:
Matt had some of the ugliest wave mods LOL he gave no clucks. He'd grind a hook into whatever blade, functional as hell though. Then emerson sent him a cease and desist letter (rolles eyes). He even drilled a hole and pressed a pin into it to wave which I thought was creative. I don't know the day he passed, I remember the announcement thread but I don't think that was the day.

RIP Matt, I think of him often and I used the knife he made custom for me 2 days ago.
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Yes I remember. He was something else and I learned a lot about waving from him.
We exchanges some thought here and in Instagram.
in fact this same topic was discussed so many times that I canā€™t imagine the question still standsā€¦
Anyway, i miss Mat too. Never had a chance to have him make me a knife but I did pick one of his models - chisel grind, flat one side, classic tanto tip and hollow grind on the othrer site. By the time I got to the point of going for it, it was too lateā€¦
 
shinyedges shinyedges I never contended that deploying a knife tip down was faster than waving, only faster than other tip up knives I have tried. I used to wave as a rule. However, I have moved past waving for a number reasons, not the least of which include that I found it too risky, at least with the knives I have had.
 
David Mary said:
shinyedges shinyedges I never contended that deploying a knife tip down was faster than waving, only faster than other tip up knives I have tried. I used to wave as a rule. However, I have moved past waving for a number reasons, not the least of which include that I found it too risky, at least with the knives I have had.
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Fair enough, I knew that. I was just being a turd because technically it is tip up lol
 
The other thing about waving is that if you want to wave the knife in forward grip, you are inherently slower at presenting the knife in front of you, because you have to move the knife backwards first.
 
David Mary said:
The other thing about waving is that if you want to wave the knife in forward grip, you are inherently slower at presenting the knife in front of you, because you have to move the knife backwards first.
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Forward waving is primarily about unlikely scenerios, in which case it is the fastest method to use in that situation. The 1 second it takes to switch from a edge out hammer grip to another grip for mundane tasks is meh.
 
Reswob said:
With tip down, you pull it out of your pocket pinching near the pivot, and as your bring your hand around to the front of your body, the knife naturally falls into the perfect hand position.
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Look at Davidā€™s video. He opens the blade about 6-8ā€ above the pocket. This is unnecessary movement that takes time. If you pull the fob, your thumb doesnt do anything but waiting for the stud to clear the pocket, you open your blade right there, no parasite movements.
ā€˜Also David flips the wrist. Absolute ā€œnoā€ in SD situations. You cannot have the blade without control till it locks.

Also - Whoever didnā€™t care about how fast youā€™ll draw, obviously didnā€™t have to draw for SD.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Yes I remember. He was something else and I learned a lot about waving from him.
We exchanges some thought here and in Instagram.
in fact this same topic was discussed so many times that I canā€™t imagine the question still standsā€¦
Anyway, i miss Mat too. Never had a chance to have him make me a knife but I did pick one of his models - chisel grind, flat one side, classic tanto tip and hollow grind on the othrer site. By the time I got to the point of going for it, it was too lateā€¦
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I don't know where big kitty and dr bob are but I hope they are in good hands. Id love to pick up another one of his blades.
 
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