Tip up or down?

Instagram. Last week someone had a post in his hashtag but honestly I don’t remember if he was selling something.
I can check and let you know. Some pieces are showing up once in a while but those are odd knive. Whoever ordered knife from him, knew what was getting and they are holding on it…
 
I carry both ways. I prefer tip down but there are knives I like that are only tip up so I buy those and carry them sometimes too. From past threads it appears that 3/4 of knife enthusiasts prefer tip up.
Talking front right hand pocket carry here...
I have long fingers and tight jeans, when I draw a tip down knife my thumb is where it needs to be to open the knife. When I draw a tip up knife I have to do gymnastics before I can open it. This works fine for me but is not quite as fast and technically is not 100% secure if I was working on a ladder or something like that. People with shorter knives and/or very loose pockets can do better with tip up. I was trying to learn how to do tip up and hunted for videos, I found videos of people showing how to draw and open their knives while wearing pajamas. I don't think I've ever carried a knife while wearing pajamas but if other people do then that's fine. And not everybody cares if it takes a bit longer to open the knife.
People with lanyards or wave openers must use tip up. People with knives with weak detents, and I've owned older knives like that, probably should use tip up for safety. All of my modern knives have good detent.
The first knives I ever saw very long ago with clips were always tip down. Then Spyderco made knives with molded handles and those required tip up so the molded clip didn't interfere with the pivot pin. Otherwise all knives might still be tip down.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Also - Whoever didn’t care about how fast you’ll draw, obviously didn’t have to draw for SD.
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It was me. As I already stated, if I have to draw my knife in SD, every security measure and safety precaution I've taken has already FAILED. So while I will fight like hell - even if I am bare handed - the safety and security bird has already flown if I'm down to a knife as my next-to-last line of self-defense.

To put my position in perspective, a former self-defense instructor told us more than once: "If you're in a knife fight, you've already lost! The only hope at that point is to make the other guy lose worse than you do."
 
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POCEH KOCEB said:
Instagram. Last week someone had a post in his hashtag but honestly I don’t remember if he was selling something.
I can check and let you know. Some pieces are showing up once in a while but those are odd knive. Whoever ordered knife from him, knew what was getting and they are holding on it…
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Yea man if you come across any let me know.
 
rje58 said:
It was me. As I already stated, if I have to draw my knife in SD, every security measure and safety precaution I've taken has already FAILED. So while I will fight like hell - even if I am bare handed - the safety and security bird has already flown if I'm down to a knife as my next-to-last line of self-defense.
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I agree it is an unlikely scenerio where one needs to use a knife to save their life, same could be said for a handgun, but the whole spiel about rather have it and not need it applies. The wave method shown in Matts video above is good for firearm retention, which we can all agree, retaining ones firearm, is good.

We can squabble over the chances of needing it all day, some folks just don't care to carry anything because it is unlikely they will need it. Others, have things laid out for just in case because adding the function takes nothing away. Shrug. To each their own.
 
shinyedges said:
I agree it is an unlikely scenerio where one needs to use a knife to save their life, same could be said for a handgun, but the whole spiel about rather have it and not need it applies. The wave method shown in Matts video above is good for firearm retention, which we can all agree, retaining ones firearm, is good.

We can squabble over the chances of needing it all day, some folks just don't care to carry anything because it is unlikely they will need it. Others, have things laid out for just in case because adding the function takes nothing away. Shrug. To each their own.
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YES, one small part of why I carry a knife is as a last ditch self defense weapon.

I totally get it and 100% agree! I did not mean to carry on this far, but somebody or the other keeps poking me. When I quit getting poked, I'll shut up. :)
 
David Mary said:
because you have to move the knife backwards first.
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David, you are so wrong my friend… You pill the knife down, the blade is open when clear the pocket and you already have your grip there, you can assess your situation, make some space, or strike from the bottom up.
‘What exactly you’re doing flipping the blade in front of you like in your clip ?
Showing it off for everyone to see it? Ready to strike with your thumb on the spine of the blade ?

I said numerous times that i hate to elaborate on hypothetical situations.
Wen I get better I’ll show you how to wave and why tip up is quicker,
right now this is not a conversation, it’s something else and I really don’t care if I’ll,prove my point or not, I got different things to worry about. :cool: :thumbsup:
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Look at David’s video. He opens the blade about 6-8” above the pocket. This is unnecessary movement that takes time. If you pull the fob, your thumb doesnt do anything but waiting for the stud to clear the pocket, you open your blade right there, no parasite movements.
‘Also David flips the wrist. Absolute “no” in SD situations. You cannot have the blade without control till it locks.

Also - Whoever didn’t care about how fast you’ll draw, obviously didn’t have to draw for SD.
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Again, you've got tiny knives or giant hands if you use a fob like you described and manage to not have to reposition the knife in your hand before you can open it.
 
rje58 said:
YES, one small part of why I carry a knife is as a last ditch self defense weapon.

I totally get it and 100% agree! I did not mean to carry on this far, but somebody or the other keeps poking me. When I quit getting poked, I'll shut up. :)
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I'm off topic too hopefully the OP isn't banging his key board screaming about how this isn't directly related to his/hers tip up tip down question lol
 
rje58 said:
former self-defense instructor told us more than once: "If you're in a knife fight, you've already lost! The only hope at that point is to make the other guy lose worse than you do."
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Well, I’m here to tell you that your former instructor is maybe right but it’s not a 100% rule.

‘About the speed, every rule that applies to the SD firearm, applies to a knife too, regardless if it’s fixed or folding blade.
‘Folding blade have disadvantage of wasting time to open it but they conceal better.
‘Anyway, you need to cut the always existed disadvantage you have when attached, and the speed of deploying whatever weapon you got is one way. Simple as this. So you need speed and you need safety. Because those situations can go in so many different ways, you can only have few general rules on order to cut your disadvantage, everything else depends on the time you have to make decisions at the moment and your speed is one of the factors that gives you few seconds here and there…
 
Reswob said:
Again, you've got tiny knives or giant hands if you use a fob like you described and manage to not have to reposition the knife in your hand before you can open it.
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You either didn’t read my explanation why I use fobs, or don’t understand or imagin it. Either way I don’t want to waste your time. As I mentioned, I don’t care how you’ll cary your knife, tip up or down. :thumbsup:
 
Reswob said:
Nope. Nope. Nope. Not even close. With tip down, you pull it out of your pocket pinching near the pivot, and as your bring your hand around to the front of your body, the knife naturally falls into the perfect hand position. It's just so much more convenient than tip up.
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This ^^
I prefer tip down, I pinch the pivot, rotate my hand into a natural position to grip the knife as I open it.

I do have a couple knives that are tip up, when I carry them I try to get a grip on them as deep in my pocket as I can then still have to inch my way to the pivot to have a solid grip and open the knife. It’s not a deal breaker but not my preference.
 
Doesn't make a difference for me. I can adjust to both ways. I used to be a tip down person, but since having some knives in tip up only carry options, I got used to the configuration and don't really care now if it's up or down. I do care where the blade is resting however. I'm right handed and carry my knife in my right front pocket. If it's tip down, the blade must be on the open side of the pocket, as in not against the seam of the pocket. If it's tip up, the blade must rest against the seam of the pocket. In this way I can open the knife in the most natural way that my right hand grabs the knife.
 
shinyedges said:
Forward waving for the win as fastest! Lol
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Forward into reverse grip or the regular " normal" way , either one is much faster than anything else except already open in your hand . ;)

Takes considerable practice to be consistent and not fumble the draw .

Fobs can help and larger, heavier blades are actually easier , IMO .
 
Nothing new here but why not sound off again? It's 2022!

Tip-up in right front pants pocket, for the same reasons as lots of other people.

Tip-down against seem of right rear pocket, because sometimes my right front pocket is occupied. It meets my hand better there.

Tip-down in a shirt or breast pocket, for the same reason. Drawing from a shirt pocket, this puts my pointer finger right on the flipper tab.
 
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