Hi Scott,
I'm very disappointed you would resort to lying or deceiving in order to make yourself look better. Even still I don't believe you're doing a good job at it. I have been completely up front and honest in all of my statements. As I said I don't believe you're a scammer, perhaps a stickler of sorts with a poor moral compass. I will address each inconsistency with the truth in your recent post in this thread. I said up front in my post above I gave you the benefit of the doubt in saying our definitions of condition may differ and I figured perhaps I didn't look at the pictures good enough. However after you declined coming to a reasonable resolution that I offered I started doing some digging and that's when I found the photos you'd texted me were from 6 months ago. So yes at first I didn't believe you did anything wrong and so I told you as such, but after discovering the images were from a much more previous date my opinion on that changed. Still the fact remains regardless of condition or if the knife was or was not misrepresented I let you know as soon as I could(within minutes of receiving the knives) that I was unhappy with the deal and you had absolutely no intention of undoing the deal which based on how I feel and it seems others on this forum as well that if both parties are unhappy the deal should be undone, simple as that. Again were you not given that same courtesy by being the first receiver of goods?
"First of all this deal wasn't even done on BF, true i contacted him about two weeks ago about a possible trade but was turned down, so last week thur. i was perusing ebay auctions and came across a knife that had a "or best offer" and had a phone number
listed so i texted him about a trade for a different knife of mine and the first thing he asks me is "how did you get my number?" and i told him Ebay so at the time i had no idea i was talking to the same Guy/Knife."
Our first correspondence was through this forum, even you acknowledge that as the truth. You also used your feedback from this forum in order to have me send my knife first, and I obliged because in comparison you have much more feedback and activity here than I do. I also had my phone number listed in the post as well so regardless of weather you got in contact with me the second time via my eBay ad you still used your reputation on this forum to make the deal happen, and I was contacted by you twice regarding this knife here, I still have the PMs to prove this. Therefore to say my feedback should not be allowed everyone would agree is a ridiculous statement. The fact that you would even try to pull that out proves to me that you are aware your actions are of a nefarious nature.
"I answered all his Questions and sent pics upon request and even sent CURRENT video's of both knives unrequested, the pics i sent him were when i purchased the knife and it is in the same condition as when the pics were taken as it has been in a pelican case
since i bought it and would have sent even more if requested.
He was informed of the carry marks and his response to me was "don't worry i'm not crazy picky", "
You did answer all of my questions, and you sent me pictures and a video of the knives. However as many know a text message video is very low resolution and was requested in order to see the action of the knife and does not represent the condition that is what pictures are for. I received the pictures thinking they were current and the knife was described as "in the same condition at the pictures" and yes you did indicate small wear marks, but I was judging by the pictures I could not see much wear so I assumed the marks were so small and insignificant that they couldn't even be picked up in a photo that is why I responded "don't worry I'm not crazy picky" because if there were wear marks I couldn't see them in the photos and therefore I would have to be "crazy picky" to be upset about marks that don't show up in photos. Of course I later found out that these photos were in fact from 6 months ago and perhaps that's why the photos above clearly differ when you compare the photos you sent me to the ones I took just after receiving the knife. I think everyone would agree the knives appear to be in much different condition photo to photo and the lighting and quality of the images are appear to be the same(mine were taken in my kitchen with my iphone).
"When he received my knives his first text to me was " not really digging either one in person the AVH is scuffed, it doesn't flip as good as one i had earlier, the finish is slippery and the maker didn't finish it enough, so i'll just sell them, then before i could reply he text's me that he doesn't even care about the knife and if i give him 1200.00 he will ship my knives back and i said i don't have 1200.00 that's why i traded."
This is an outright and blatant deception here Scott and you know it. Upon receiving the knives I immediately contacted you stating I was unhappy with the trade after seeing the knives in person and my first and initial offer was to undo the trade. I offered to send you back your knives as well as a paypal payment which would cover all your shipping fees both ways and once you received your knives back and that paypal payment you then send the Jens Anso back to me. It was not until after you declined that offer because you said you liked the Anso and wanted to keep it that I went ahead and gave you the second reasonable offer of me sending back your knives and once they were received by you, you just send me $1200 for the Anso. I came up with $1200 because that is what you'd mentioned before was the trade value for your 2 knives and it was $200 off what I was asking and $150 less than an offer of $1350 I'd previously received. As I said I wanted to be fair since I was the one trying to undo the deal, I wanted to make sure that my offers to you were reasonable and where you would still be happy with the outcome.
"I have NUMEROUS text's from him stating that he knows " I DID NOTHING WRONG AND THE KNIVES WERE NOT MISREPRESENTED " but still wanted to reverse the deal because he wasn't "comfortable" so i said iv'e done a few deals where i wasn't thrilled but through no fault of the seller i just turned around and did a catch and release and told him he could get his 1200.00 by selling the two knives."
I have already touched on this but I will address it again. I absolutely did feel at one time that you did not do anything wrong, and I did not want to get into an argument over weather the knives were misrepresented or not. As I said our definitions of condition may differ. Of course I then found out the pictures you texted me were from 6 months ago and then it made sense why the pictures looked so different from what I had in my hand. Really its neither here nor there in my opinion since I was unhappy with the deal as soon as received the knives, I contacted you in a reasonable amount of time(within minutes of receiving them) and offered you a reasonable solution(undo of the deal AT MY EXPESNE of all the shipping costs). Most would agree that this is what should have been done.
"Now he's trying to get sympathy by stating he's going to " give away" the proceeds of the sale to charity, after calling me up and swearing at me and calling me names and then pranking my phone.
When he requested the reversal he knew he was wrong in asking, that's why he apologized for asking, clearly a case of remorse, i did nothing wrong and he was informed of the condition of the knife PRIOR to the deal getting done, i even asked him
NUMEROUS times to take his time and repeatedly was told that he was "fine" I also mentioned one time that he sounded "undecided" and again i was told he was "fine"."
I am not looking for sympathy from anyone, in fact that gesture is not anything warranting sympathy in my opinion, it was just my solution of making a negative situation into a positive one. The only reason I mentioned it was to explain that my intentions with this post was more to vindicate the feedback I had given you, that I was given a warning for(which I felt was unfair). Secondly after calling you to discuss over the phone I did get frustrated with the fact that you had no intentions of making this right for all parties to be happy. You after you told me "I guess you're just gonna have to chalk it up" I did have a weak moment and use some vulgar language I believe " that's fine you f***ing a**hole" was the term. I apologize for resorting to such immaturity, however that doesn't make me a bad person it makes me human. I can admit my faults and apologize for them. I can say that your accusation of me pranking your phone is completely untrue. In fact after we got off the phone I went to event at my wife's restaurant with for 2 hours and was not in contact with you whatsoever until later that night you decided to text me threatening to have me banned for posting negatively in your feedback. Which I actually told you up front I would be forced to do if this matter could not be resolved cordially.
As for apologizing for wanting to undo the deal, that is just a common form of politeness on my end. I did not want to jump the gun and go off on you over a simple misunderstand of condition. Therefore I nicely texted you apologizing for the inconvenience of undoing the deal. I don't see how this is any indication of me being in the "wrong", hopefully others will agree.
As I stated from the beginning Scott, you seemed to me to be a nice and honest guy all the way up until I received my end of the trade and was unhappy then something changed. Your tone changed completely, that is when I started to question your true intentions from the very beginning. I did some digging and found some things(the date of the pictures) that made me question it even more. I'm not going to sit here and tell others what your intentions were because I honestly don't know. What I do know is that in any deal both parties should be happy when all is said and done and if they aren't the most reasonable course of action is to simply undo the deal especially if the person unhappy is willing to incur all of the costs associated with the transaction.
I'm very disappointed you would resort to lying or deceiving in order to make yourself look better. Even still I don't believe you're doing a good job at it. I have been completely up front and honest in all of my statements. As I said I don't believe you're a scammer, perhaps a stickler of sorts with a poor moral compass. I will address each inconsistency with the truth in your recent post in this thread. I said up front in my post above I gave you the benefit of the doubt in saying our definitions of condition may differ and I figured perhaps I didn't look at the pictures good enough. However after you declined coming to a reasonable resolution that I offered I started doing some digging and that's when I found the photos you'd texted me were from 6 months ago. So yes at first I didn't believe you did anything wrong and so I told you as such, but after discovering the images were from a much more previous date my opinion on that changed. Still the fact remains regardless of condition or if the knife was or was not misrepresented I let you know as soon as I could(within minutes of receiving the knives) that I was unhappy with the deal and you had absolutely no intention of undoing the deal which based on how I feel and it seems others on this forum as well that if both parties are unhappy the deal should be undone, simple as that. Again were you not given that same courtesy by being the first receiver of goods?
"First of all this deal wasn't even done on BF, true i contacted him about two weeks ago about a possible trade but was turned down, so last week thur. i was perusing ebay auctions and came across a knife that had a "or best offer" and had a phone number
listed so i texted him about a trade for a different knife of mine and the first thing he asks me is "how did you get my number?" and i told him Ebay so at the time i had no idea i was talking to the same Guy/Knife."
Our first correspondence was through this forum, even you acknowledge that as the truth. You also used your feedback from this forum in order to have me send my knife first, and I obliged because in comparison you have much more feedback and activity here than I do. I also had my phone number listed in the post as well so regardless of weather you got in contact with me the second time via my eBay ad you still used your reputation on this forum to make the deal happen, and I was contacted by you twice regarding this knife here, I still have the PMs to prove this. Therefore to say my feedback should not be allowed everyone would agree is a ridiculous statement. The fact that you would even try to pull that out proves to me that you are aware your actions are of a nefarious nature.
"I answered all his Questions and sent pics upon request and even sent CURRENT video's of both knives unrequested, the pics i sent him were when i purchased the knife and it is in the same condition as when the pics were taken as it has been in a pelican case
since i bought it and would have sent even more if requested.
He was informed of the carry marks and his response to me was "don't worry i'm not crazy picky", "
You did answer all of my questions, and you sent me pictures and a video of the knives. However as many know a text message video is very low resolution and was requested in order to see the action of the knife and does not represent the condition that is what pictures are for. I received the pictures thinking they were current and the knife was described as "in the same condition at the pictures" and yes you did indicate small wear marks, but I was judging by the pictures I could not see much wear so I assumed the marks were so small and insignificant that they couldn't even be picked up in a photo that is why I responded "don't worry I'm not crazy picky" because if there were wear marks I couldn't see them in the photos and therefore I would have to be "crazy picky" to be upset about marks that don't show up in photos. Of course I later found out that these photos were in fact from 6 months ago and perhaps that's why the photos above clearly differ when you compare the photos you sent me to the ones I took just after receiving the knife. I think everyone would agree the knives appear to be in much different condition photo to photo and the lighting and quality of the images are appear to be the same(mine were taken in my kitchen with my iphone).
"When he received my knives his first text to me was " not really digging either one in person the AVH is scuffed, it doesn't flip as good as one i had earlier, the finish is slippery and the maker didn't finish it enough, so i'll just sell them, then before i could reply he text's me that he doesn't even care about the knife and if i give him 1200.00 he will ship my knives back and i said i don't have 1200.00 that's why i traded."
This is an outright and blatant deception here Scott and you know it. Upon receiving the knives I immediately contacted you stating I was unhappy with the trade after seeing the knives in person and my first and initial offer was to undo the trade. I offered to send you back your knives as well as a paypal payment which would cover all your shipping fees both ways and once you received your knives back and that paypal payment you then send the Jens Anso back to me. It was not until after you declined that offer because you said you liked the Anso and wanted to keep it that I went ahead and gave you the second reasonable offer of me sending back your knives and once they were received by you, you just send me $1200 for the Anso. I came up with $1200 because that is what you'd mentioned before was the trade value for your 2 knives and it was $200 off what I was asking and $150 less than an offer of $1350 I'd previously received. As I said I wanted to be fair since I was the one trying to undo the deal, I wanted to make sure that my offers to you were reasonable and where you would still be happy with the outcome.
"I have NUMEROUS text's from him stating that he knows " I DID NOTHING WRONG AND THE KNIVES WERE NOT MISREPRESENTED " but still wanted to reverse the deal because he wasn't "comfortable" so i said iv'e done a few deals where i wasn't thrilled but through no fault of the seller i just turned around and did a catch and release and told him he could get his 1200.00 by selling the two knives."
I have already touched on this but I will address it again. I absolutely did feel at one time that you did not do anything wrong, and I did not want to get into an argument over weather the knives were misrepresented or not. As I said our definitions of condition may differ. Of course I then found out the pictures you texted me were from 6 months ago and then it made sense why the pictures looked so different from what I had in my hand. Really its neither here nor there in my opinion since I was unhappy with the deal as soon as received the knives, I contacted you in a reasonable amount of time(within minutes of receiving them) and offered you a reasonable solution(undo of the deal AT MY EXPESNE of all the shipping costs). Most would agree that this is what should have been done.
"Now he's trying to get sympathy by stating he's going to " give away" the proceeds of the sale to charity, after calling me up and swearing at me and calling me names and then pranking my phone.
When he requested the reversal he knew he was wrong in asking, that's why he apologized for asking, clearly a case of remorse, i did nothing wrong and he was informed of the condition of the knife PRIOR to the deal getting done, i even asked him
NUMEROUS times to take his time and repeatedly was told that he was "fine" I also mentioned one time that he sounded "undecided" and again i was told he was "fine"."
I am not looking for sympathy from anyone, in fact that gesture is not anything warranting sympathy in my opinion, it was just my solution of making a negative situation into a positive one. The only reason I mentioned it was to explain that my intentions with this post was more to vindicate the feedback I had given you, that I was given a warning for(which I felt was unfair). Secondly after calling you to discuss over the phone I did get frustrated with the fact that you had no intentions of making this right for all parties to be happy. You after you told me "I guess you're just gonna have to chalk it up" I did have a weak moment and use some vulgar language I believe " that's fine you f***ing a**hole" was the term. I apologize for resorting to such immaturity, however that doesn't make me a bad person it makes me human. I can admit my faults and apologize for them. I can say that your accusation of me pranking your phone is completely untrue. In fact after we got off the phone I went to event at my wife's restaurant with for 2 hours and was not in contact with you whatsoever until later that night you decided to text me threatening to have me banned for posting negatively in your feedback. Which I actually told you up front I would be forced to do if this matter could not be resolved cordially.
As for apologizing for wanting to undo the deal, that is just a common form of politeness on my end. I did not want to jump the gun and go off on you over a simple misunderstand of condition. Therefore I nicely texted you apologizing for the inconvenience of undoing the deal. I don't see how this is any indication of me being in the "wrong", hopefully others will agree.
As I stated from the beginning Scott, you seemed to me to be a nice and honest guy all the way up until I received my end of the trade and was unhappy then something changed. Your tone changed completely, that is when I started to question your true intentions from the very beginning. I did some digging and found some things(the date of the pictures) that made me question it even more. I'm not going to sit here and tell others what your intentions were because I honestly don't know. What I do know is that in any deal both parties should be happy when all is said and done and if they aren't the most reasonable course of action is to simply undo the deal especially if the person unhappy is willing to incur all of the costs associated with the transaction.
