Trade deal gone bad...opinions requested.

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So if the deal was done on ebay, he can leave feedback there right? Wait a minute......there is that fishy smell again.

I am glad this looks like it is working out but I think we have learned an awful lot about those involved and those commenting here. This is exactly why we need the GB&U, not just to give feedback but also to see where other people stand on issues when they arise.
 
craytab said:
So if the deal was done on ebay, he can leave feedback there right? Wait a minute......there is that fishy smell again.

I am glad this looks like it is working out but I think we have learned an awful lot about those involved and those commenting here. This is exactly why we need the GB&U, not just to give feedback but also to see where other people stand on issues when they arise.
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That's why i have not " returned the favor" by giving him similar feed back as mine as the deal was NOT done on BF, no pm's no emails, just text's through ebay.
 
I agree this continues to smell fishy....that was my point to begin with. Instead of doing due diligence, people came on and threw grenades and essentially trashed the reputation of a long-standing member. Sadly, I've learned a lot from this thread and very little of it good.......I just started a sales thread earlier, and I've decided to take it down as I have no further desire to walk the plank that Scott was forced to tread. I've had this sinking feeling regarding the forum and society as a whole for a while....hence my lack of focused involvement for quite a few months........but I consider this the straw that broke this camel's back.:barf:

craytab said:
So if the deal was done on ebay, he can leave feedback there right? Wait a minute......there is that fishy smell again.

I am glad this looks like it is working out but I think we have learned an awful lot about those involved and those commenting here. This is exactly why we need the GB&U, not just to give feedback but also to see where other people stand on issues when they arise.
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How did he even start a sales thread as a registered member ? The one he left feedback from ?
 
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I wonder- Kevin5 - Couldn't you have just buffed out the scuffs and been happy?? Would've taken maybe 5 minutes???
 
sechip said:
I'm not "making it right" i'm simply cutting my losses as my feed back means everything to me and i do think you intentionally took those pics of the brushed finish to enhance your "case" and the deal was done on ebay so the feed back never belonged on here in the first place, maybe if you spent a little more time on the forums you would know the difference.

I'm glad you got to test drive my knife and then came on here to get me pressured into undoing the trade.... i hope your happy.

Just be happy you got "your way" and got people to pressure me into doing what you wanted.
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If you feel this strongly you don't HAVE to trade back, no one can force you. I totally understand the feedback thing, but 1 negative wouldn't dissuade me from someone IF there's context etc. or a thread like this. Can at least have some info and make up my own mind. Also, if the deal didn't happen on BF, no feedback should be left IMHO. Open a thread ya, I guess so, but no feedback.

I don't KNOW for sure but if the deal really didn't happen thru BF, couldn't the feedback be removed (positive or negative) based on that alone without kevin5 requesting?? Cause otherwise I couldn't I leave you feedback right now saying you told me you would give me your Nighthawk, but then didn't?? :p
 
wjswiger said:
I agree this continues to smell fishy....that was my point to begin with. Instead of doing due diligence, people came on and threw grenades and essentially trashed the reputation of a long-standing member. Sadly, I've learned a lot from this thread and very little of it good.......I just started a sales thread earlier, and I've decided to take it down as I have no further desire to walk the plank that Scott was forced to tread. I've had this sinking feeling regarding the forum and society as a whole for a while....hence my lack of focused involvement for quite a few months........but I consider this the straw that broke this camel's back.:barf:
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I dunno if I agree with all that, I mean, you have great feedback and have been around a while so I'm assuming you've had tons of successful and happy deals. No need to write it off totally! Still tons of good folks to do business with
 
This has been very educational. It's reinforced my personal policy of never trading anything other than recoverable funds for any material goods unless it's done in person.

Lots of people seem to go out of their way to overly complicate what should be some pretty straight-forward transactions.
 
So had Scott....and look where that got him. I've simply seen a disheartening trend of fire first and aim later that causes me to want to look elsewhere for my entertainment and knife fix....if there is such a place.

go_DWI said:
I dunno if I agree with all that, I mean, you have great feedback and have been around a while so I'm assuming you've had tons of successful and happy deals. No need to write it off totally! Still tons of good folks to do business with
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This whole nonsense/thread should never have happened. Facts seem to be that a trade agreement was made. When the OP got the two knives - one of them seemed not to be in the condition of the photos and/or there was a difference of opinions as to how condition is graded. I would note that the trade photo of the knife in question does not appear to be in the same condition as when the op actually got it.

As I said prior > why did it come to this? Everybody sends their stuff back (the op even offered to pay for all costs). Maybe the OP was a little picky. Maybe Seachip didn't do the best jop of describing the knife or pics. Who cares. Should have been an easy fix. Somebody had to be stuborn and so this thread starts.
Then the "drama". "Off my trade list" , "I am taking my ball and going home", apologys due blah, blah.

ugh
 
It's called accountability and standing up for what you believe in. If this isn't important to you, so be it......

Gastonknife said:
This whole nonsense/thread should never have happened. Facts seem to be that a trade agreement was made. When the OP got the two knives - one of them seemed not to be in the condition of the photos and/or there was a difference of opinions as to how condition is graded. I would note that the trade photo of the knife in question does not appear to be in the same condition as when the op actually got it.

As I said prior > why did it come to this? Everybody sends their stuff back (the op even offered to pay for all costs). Maybe the OP was a little picky. Maybe Seachip didn't do the best jop of describing the knife or pics. Who cares. Should have been an easy fix. Somebody had to be stuborn and so this thread starts.
Then the "drama". "Off my trade list" , "I am taking my ball and going home", apologys due blah, blah.

ugh
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wjswiger said:
So had Scott....and look where that got him. I've simply seen a disheartening trend of fire first and aim later that causes me to want to look elsewhere for my entertainment and knife fix....if there is such a place.
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Instagram has a pretty darn friendly community. Not really like a forum though.

I am not trying to stir the pot or add any unnecessary chatter. However. This is the reason I won't do trades with relatively new/random people. Even sales with brand new members make me hesitant.

The fact that a brand new member can hop on here and challenge the reputation of another, well known member, and people so easily go along with him is disheartening. I just feel that a new member's credibility would be challenged first, before someone with seniority, so to speak.
 
I just read this whole thing and have a few questions/observations.....

This deal was not done on BF. How is feedback possible?

Scott, don't allow a thread to pressure you into doing something you don't feel you should. Just because someone isn't happy NOW, doesn't mean anything.
This 'trade back if the person is not satisfied' thing is not a rule, it has to be taken as a case by case decision, and I know that you would have traded back if you felt you had maybe done something 'wrong'....

Point is, you sent pics/video's, not much more you can do....

This is buyers/traders remorse, and the GBU being used as a forum to get you to do what you shouldn't have to.

I personally would trade with you in a heartbeat...
 
wjswiger said:
So had Scott....and look where that got him. I've simply seen a disheartening trend of fire first and aim later that causes me to want to look elsewhere for my entertainment and knife fix....if there is such a place.
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I hear you on that, but if someone started a thread like this concerning yourself, no doubt it would be irritating (right or wrong) but I wouldn't say you'd have your rep actually trashed since you've built up the goodwill over the years. Ppl jump to conclusions all the time on both sides of a disagreement but it's usually much clearer when the dust settles.

Even in this case it looks like the 'tide' is turning more back towards Scott anyway. Regardless, you're more than welcome to make your own call!

Oh also FWIW, I have had one deal with Scott and didn't have any issues! Probably wouldn't have commented if I hadn't had any firsthand experience with him.
 
sechip said:
That's why i have not " returned the favor" by giving him similar feed back as mine as the deal was NOT done on BF, no pm's no emails, just text's through ebay.
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Was the deal completed through the ebay system? IE, can I search for and find an ended sale where the seller and buyer both can leave feedback? This is an important point that needs clarification.
 
sechip said:
That's why i have not " returned the favor" by giving him similar feed back as mine as the deal was NOT done on BF, no pm's no emails, just text's through ebay.
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Excuse me gentlemen but how could the transaction have taken place on ebay? It was a trade? There was no money exchanged and ebay was not involved in the transaction. How could this in anyway be perceived as an ebay deal? Our first point of contact was here on BF and my phone number was posted both in that ad as well as a standing ebay ad. I can say that he used his BF feedback and reputation in order to validate him receiving my knife first which I obliged due to his positive feedback here.

Regardless I was unhappy with the deal as soon as the knives were in my hands due to the condition not being what I'd thought given the pictures I'd seen. I was very nice and cordial about offering a trade back at my full expense and he was unwilling to agree to it. Therefore I left appropriate feedback in the same place he's made his initial contact and the same place where he'd used his feedback to justify the trade. Am I wrong here?

He has agreed to do the trade back and therefore at the end of the day I will be happy with the outcome, I really wish we didn't have to go through all this to get there but at the same time I believe its what is the most fair for everyone involved because this deal is not cut and dry, there are shades of grey as you can see. The pictures I was sent do not match the current condition(please refer to my pictures). Whether this was intentional on his part or not is really anyone's guess and only he knows for sure. I personally like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but again if both parties aren't happy with a deal and a reasonable solution is offered in a reasonable amount of time I think we would all agree that it is the right thing to do and if the shoe were on the other foot you would want the same treatment.
 
sechip said:
I would have absolutely no qualms reversing the trade if something was done on my part that was deceiving in the least bit but he was fully aware of everything, could i have a better phone to take pics? sure, but i DID NOT DECEIVE him in any way.

And he fully admits it in NUMEROUS text's.
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To be clear I texted you that before realizing that the photos you texted me were 6 months old, that's when the non matching condition started to make sense.
 
JR88FAN said:
I just read this whole thing and have a few questions/observations.....

This deal was not done on BF. How is feedback possible?

Scott, don't allow a thread to pressure you into doing something you don't feel you should. Just because someone isn't happy NOW, doesn't mean anything.
This 'trade back if the person is not satisfied' thing is not a rule, it has to be taken as a case by case decision, and I know that you would have traded back if you felt you had maybe done something 'wrong'....

Point is, you sent pics/video's, not much more you can do....

This is buyers/traders remorse, and the GBU being used as a forum to get you to do what you shouldn't have to.

I personally would trade with you in a heartbeat...
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The deal was NOT done through eBay. Ebay does not offer a trade program to my knowledge. Scott is claiming he contacted me via my phone number that was listed in my eBay ad however I have 2 PMs from as well as my phone number listed in my ad here on BF and he used his feedback score here in order to justify me sending him my knife first since he had more feedback then me. I agreed to it of course because that was reasonable, however if he had the chance to trade back if he didn't like my knife once he received it then why wouldn't I be given the same treatment? These aren't cheap knives, and its not like a waited a week or even a couple days to contact him with my concerns I contacted him within minutes of receiving them.
 
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