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Truthseeker-not So Good

wired45, next time you post something negative about someone it would be a good idea to give a lot more information, and provide photos. It would also be a great idea to contact the other person first and see if everything can be worked out without having to bring it to G,B&U.
 
I Have The Knife ,was Thrilled To Get.rushed Thru The Sale Never Asked If It As New Or A User-knew What Kind Of A Price I Was Willing To Pay For A New One.alot More Than From The Company Store-when I Finally Sat Down And Looked At Knife Ther Were A Couple Of User Scratches In Blade.which Are Now Gone.after Using A 3m Metal Polish And Flitz On The Blade Surface,and Buffing Wheel.its Fine.my Mistake For Not Asking When I Bought It If It Was New Or Not.my Fault.i See Alot Of People Have Something To Say,thats Great But I Ended Up With The Knife In Question.i Made The Mistake I Jumpedthe Gun Spent The Money Not You Guys.move On Thats Why I Wouldn't Respond.my Bad Experience Not Yours.i Blame No One But Myself,for Not Asking The Right Questions.thats It Like Or Not Drop It

1. Try to look at it from an outsider's perspective. You make allegations, the other party responds and the thread continues but you don't defend yourself. It does look suspicious, wouldn't you think?

2. "my Bad Experience Not Yours". You made it ours when you made this public.

3. It would have been wise to take a photo of the scratches first as requested by the seller as documentation.
 
Wired45, here's the long and short of it. I sold you a knife that left my posession in new condition (and yes you did ask if it was new - see PM's posted earlier).You then received it with glowing feedback. Then, a few hours later, you started this thread claiming it had scratches on the blade. You didn't tell me about the scratches or this thread. Even after that, I would still have helped make it right if somehow the knife was scratched during shipping. You were logged in, and I assume you read this thread and saw my intentions to help you out, but you chose not to respond. Then you sent me an email using the BFC email system, letting all of us know that you were logged on again and STILL chose not to respond in the thread you created. You say you polished the scratches out of the blade. I find that very convenient. That was NOT a good idea. Now, you have a knife that could have been factory fresh (assuming there actually were scratches to begin with), but instead has an amateur polish job ("amateur" meaning "not factory"). ONE short little PM, email, note, smoke signal, or SOMETHING telling me of these mystery scratches, and I would've taken your word for it and gotten it taken care of immediately, no questions asked. I think I've been more nice about this than I should've been, considering what you posted. I've taken the liberty of quoting it here for posterity.

For anyone reading this and trying to decide whether I ripped someone off or not, let me just say that I don't misrepresent things. If I have a knife and it has scratches in the blade, I'll say so. I'm a bit anal-retentive about things like that myself, so I would definitely notice if something was wrong with a knife. All I can give on that is my word. And if a situation should arise where something is received in a different condition than I stated it was in, I will go through hell and high water to make it right. I've been screwed plenty of times, so I know what it's like.

HOWEVER, when I see something telling the whole world that I'm a piece of crap, and I've heard nothing from the buyer, my BS detector starts to go off. That is odd and underhanded behavior. My natural instinct to give a person the benefit of the doubt goes down the toilet. My skepticism in this particular case is not my normal reaction.


Hopefully that will clear the air on some of this.


The original posts:
I ASKED FOR A SMOG GAMEWARDEN ON THE WTB FORUM-AND I ASKED AS NEW THE ONE I RECIEVED HAS SEVERAL SCRATCHES IN BALED AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEB SOLD AS NEW-THIS IS A USER AND I PAID TOP DOLLAR FOR NIB-WOULD NEVER RECOMEND SELLER-NOT A HAPPY CAMPER-PAID

$300 FOR A USER ARE YOU KIDDING ? NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR-VERY BAD DEAL-WOULD NOT RECOMEND ! ! !:thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:


I Can't Wait For Your Next Post ! ! ! Very Bad Bussiness-would Never Recomend ! ! ! My Mistake Don't Make The Same -keep Away ! ! !
 
You got jumped on for starting a negative thread and then going silent. Once you responded the heat subsided

BTW, what are "user scratches"? If they polished out easily the "user scratches" could not have been indictative of much use, or am I wrong?

I am serious, I do not know how to tell the difference from a scratch caused by a sheath, a scratch caused by rough handling and a scratch caused by "use"........


Interested in input on this myself. :confused:
 
wired45 said:
...when I Finally Sat Down And Looked At Knife Ther Were A Couple Of User Scratches In Blade.which Are Now Gone.
I've had a couple of brand new blades come from Wauseon with what looked like "scratches" on the surface. They were really just surface flaws in the coating that occured either when the coating was applied, or when the logo was put on the knife. One of them I am keeping, the other one I sent back. All it took was a quick email to the Head Rat, and it was quickly taken care of... ;)
 
OK I am curious. If this is a sheath knife then there probably is a simple explanation. I deal a lot with Spyderco knives and Own many of their fixed blade knives. Almost without exception when you take a Spyderco fixed blade and put in the sheath and take it out and put it back in again you are inevitably going to get "sheath marks". And "sheath marks" are not scratches but rather a material build up from the sheath material itself.

I know for a fact that Spyderco is not the only fixed blade production knife on the market that has this apparent problem. Just by the mere fact that "Wired45" said he easily removed them with FLITZ ( a non abrasive polish :confused: ) I have to conclude that they were not scratches but simply "sheath marks" or some other type of material build up.

There are also handling marks that I have gotten from many new factory knives that by simply using FLITZ polishing cloth by itself they came right off. Yes they did sort of look like scratches but obviously they were not or a polishing cloth would not have removed them. FLITZ POLISH will not remove heavy scratches. That takes some serious work with an abrasive Polishing compound. I know it's not my dispute but this looks rather obvious to me that this knife that TRUTHSEEKER sent was not heavily scratched as alledged by Wired45. And I have never ever heard anything bad at all about TRUTHSEEKER before this thread. I think every allegation of wrongdoing should be well established before posting a "hatchet job" of another member here on G, B & U :( Also I agree with all the other brothers that there should have been attempts to contact TRUTHSEEKER and give him a chance to remedy the problem before blasting him here on this Forum :(
 
The only "sheath" this was in was a cardboard one similar to what comes from the factory. I haven't noticed one of these cardboard sheaths scratching any other Busse knives I've had, though.
 
The only "sheath" this was in was a cardboard one similar to what comes from the factory. I haven't noticed one of these cardboard sheaths scratching any other Busse knives I've had, though.

I've had a few double-cut knives from Busse that show marks along the blade from sliding in and out of the cardboard shipping 'sheaths'. They wipe right off.
 
...you Say One Bad Comment And You Guys Are Like A Pack Of Wolves ? Unreal.is This Ever Going To End ?
If you're going to comment negatively about someone, be prepared to back-up your assertions and don't just up and disappear after posting.

BTW: Please learn proper capitalization and punctuation. My God, man, wading though your stuff is enough to give one a headache.
 
So, wired45 still contendes this was a bad deal...no pics, NOW no scratches on blade...hmmmm...wired45 contradicts self...I know who I'M going to avoid :)
 
It would have taken the same amount of effort to actually contact the seller about the alleged "problem" as it did to actually start a thread complaining about the seller. If there is an issue with a transaction then handle it in private, give the seller a chance to make it right, if in fact there IS something to make right. If you cannot get satisfaction from the seller THEN consider starting a thread about it. Going off half-cocked is never a good idea. A thing once said cannot be unsaid, especially in a archived public forum. To reiterate be civilised don't sully someones reputation in public without first giving them a chance to settle things in private.
Like the bumper sticker says "think before engaging mouth".lol.
 
I Have The Knife ,was Thrilled To Get.rushed Thru The Sale Never Asked If It As New Or A User-knew What Kind Of A Price I Was Willing To Pay For A New One.alot More Than From The Company Store-when I Finally Sat Down And Looked At Knife Ther Were A Couple Of User Scratches In Blade.which Are Now Gone.after Using A 3m Metal Polish And Flitz On The Blade Surface,and Buffing Wheel.its Fine.my Mistake For Not Asking When I Bought It If It Was New Or Not.my Fault.i See Alot Of People Have Something To Say,thats Great But I Ended Up With The Knife In Question.i Made The Mistake I Jumpedthe Gun Spent The Money Not You Guys.move On Thats Why I Wouldn't Respond.my Bad Experience Not Yours.i Blame No One But Myself,for Not Asking The Right Questions.thats It Like Or Not Drop It

You win the "Jules Winnfield Award"
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Perhaps part of the reason people respond to your accusations the way they do is due to the way you present them.
 
Wow! What a mess. I have not dealt with either of these guys, but it is a no brainer as to who I will be avoiding. :eek:
 
i clearly made a mistake in the way i presented it-agian MY MISTAKE for only posting the way i did.all the advise is well taken,the personal attacks not.my biggest mistake was not contacting seller after i had time to inspect the knife.and if i hurt truthseekers feelings again i'm sorry.as for those of you who verbally attacked me and my integerity you don't know me as i don't know you.this was the experience that i had not you all.if i had posted this in wine and cheese i would expected worse.but i posted in good,bad,ulgy tell us your experience.thanks for all the wisdom from everybody.i'll be sure not to say any more in this forum if i buy again.i learned a great lesson from this,thanks
 
You started the thread. Sorry it's turned out this way for you, but if you're going to pull the tiger's tail...you better be prepared for it's teeth. A code of ethics was violated, and the responses are the repercussions of that. Again, sorry, but that's what happens.
 
i'll be sure not to say any more in this forum if i buy again.i learned a great lesson from this,thanks

wired45, you've taken a few lumps here, because of your method of presentation and unwillingness to document your claims. Learn from it and I think you'll enjoy your time here on bladeforums alot more.

1. Make an attempt to talk to the other party for resolution BEFORE you come in here swinging.

2. When you do need to present a problem here, be concise and provide evidence at the outset, don't just drop a bomb and walk away.

3. BE HONEST, if either party is caught bending the truth, you pretty much lose right there in most folks eyes.

4. Maintain contact after your initial post, flaming and running ALWAYS makes a person look suspicious.

GB&U works really well to resolve conflicts if both parties communicate.
 
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