"TyFrameLock" a dishonorable seller... Caveat Emptor

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TyFrameLock said:
Rob, I will make this easy for you since you can't seem to read the sticky.

Rules:

1. Make sure you spell out the terms of the deal before the purchase. Don't assume anything is covered - spell it out in detail.

*Rob -1

2. When in doubt, pick up the phone. More problems can be solved in a 3 minute phone call than all the emails you'll send back and forth.

*No Fault

3. Be prompt in payment & shipping. DURRRR. Nobody likes a deadbeat or slacker. If you need additional time for whatever reason, be up front about it - but don't make the other guy chase after you.

*Ty +1
*Rob +1

4. Be explicit in your descriptions & detailed in your photos. A 1mm scuff that's "ho hum" to you is "OMGWTF!" to some collectors.

*Ty +1

5. IF YOU WANT AN INSPECTION PERIOD OR RIGHT TO RETURN A PRODUCT, AGREE TO IT IN ADVANCE. CYA CYA CYA CYA CYA - it will save hard feelings all around.

*Rob -2

6. Shipping & Insurance are good investments. That $1.25 you save in postage, packaging & packing material might cost you $700 if the knife never arrives or is damaged in transit.

*Ty +1

7. SEARCH THE FORUMS BEFORE YOU BUY / SELL / TRADE. I cannot emphasize this enough. The Good Bad & Ugly is here for a reason - use it. The time you spend on this is less expensive getting burned on a bad deal.

*No Fault

8. Follow up when possible. Let the other guy know when you have gotten the knife or received payment. No one likes to be kept in the dark.

*Ty +1
*Rob +1

9. The deal isn't done until everyone agrees. If you've agreed on an inspection period, don't spend the money until it's over.

*Rob -1

10. Last but not least -Ethics & Common sense are not optional. We are a thriving community because our membership has high standards for their fellows. If you do screw someone on a deal (buying or selling), being banned is nothing compared to having the postal inspectors come after you for

*Ty -1

Ty is at +3

Rob is at -2

Per the forum.
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My take on the culture of this forum is that the most important rule in a transaction is that the deal isn't done until both parties are satisfied, and in that regard you totally fail TyFrameLock. All this other stuff you're posting looks like bluster that you're throwing out there to try to distract people from the fundamental fact that if the buyer received the knife and was not happy with it and contacted you the same day asking for a refund you should have told him to send it back on his dime and as soon as you received it you should have refunded his money. Period. Your excuse that you had already spent the money is both lame and is YOUR problem, not Rob's. Have you noticed yet that no one's agreeing with you?

PS - Oh and I see you made significant edits to your negative feedback post on Rob, again trying to distract people from the real issue. And you still have that thread locked down so no one can respond. Classy.
 
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TyFrameLock said:
That is just one rule of many.
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No. For someone with integrity that is THE guiding principle of transactions on this forum, whether it's plainly written out or not. The fact that you don't agree with or understand that is clear.
 
TyFrameLock said:
26 years of age.

You can bash me, slander me all you want, but it all comes down to technicality.

Technically Rob is wrong.

With all technical aspects aside, I was wrong.

In the end, I hope everyone can learn from this.

Be Specific with your terms.

There might be that one case where this happens to someone else, and in that case you will be safe from judgement and wrong accusations.
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You are coming off much younger. Quit slinging whatever poo ("technicality," your repeated insistence that people receive infractions) you can find, accept responsibility and shut up. Anything else makes you look worse.
rats...
 
Ritt said:
No. For someone with integrity that is THE guiding principle of transactions on this forum
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+1

It's not a complicated concept. Just because the seller got what he wanted ($$$) doesn't mean the deal is over. You should always be prepared for the possibility that the buyer will be dissatisfied. Saves a lot of time in the long run.

ratstuph said:
accept responsibility and shut up. Anything else makes you look worse.
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This is good advice. Ty, you aren't helping your reputation any by trying to find a justification.
 
Like any business anywhere, the bottom line is making your customer happy. If your customer isn't happy, you may not have many more customers, and once it hits this forum, you may not have many friends around here either. Locker room lawyers can always find a phrase, but the rule remains as others have said before me: The deal isn't over until both sides are satisfied.
 
Ritt said:
My take on the culture of this forum is that the most important rule in a transaction is that the deal isn't done until both parties are satisfied, and in that regard you totally fail TyFrameLock. All this other stuff you're posting looks like bluster that you're throwing out there to try to distract people from the fundamental fact that if the buyer received the knife and was not happy with it and contacted you the same day asking for a refund you should have told him to send it back on his dime and as soon as you received it you should have refunded his money. Period. Your excuse that you had already spent the money is both lame and is YOUR problem, not Rob's. Have you noticed yet that no one's agreeing with you?

PS - Oh and I see you made significant edits to your negative feedback post on Rob, again trying to distract people from the real issue. And you still have that thread locked down so no one can respond. Classy.
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Ritt said:
No. For someone with integrity that is THE guiding principle of transactions on this forum, whether it's plainly written out or not. The fact that you don't agree with or understand that is clear.
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Parasitic Psycho said:
+1

It's not a complicated concept. Just because the seller got what he wanted ($$$) doesn't mean the deal is over. You should always be prepared for the possibility that the buyer will be dissatisfied. Saves a lot of time in the long run.



This is good advice. Ty, you aren't helping your reputation any by trying to find a justification.
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Esav Benyamin said:
Like any business anywhere, the bottom line is making your customer happy. If your customer isn't happy, you may not have many more customers, and once it hits this forum, you may not have many friends around here either. Locker room lawyers can always find a phrase, but the rule remains as others have said before me: The deal isn't over until both sides are satisfied.
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+1 to all of this. :thumbup:
 
well let's agree to disagree.

I have accepted the responsibility for my actions which transpired from a chain of bad events, I will no longer be participating in exchange.

The damage is done.
 
And there you have it folks. Another 20-something trying, but essentially failing to grasp a few of life's simple rules... and all right here, essentially for free (since I didn't ask for the $30 refund) on Bladeforums.

He is agreeing not so much to disagree, per se, but is agreeing that he just doesn't understand the super simple customer service rule. And after all, we are ALL in the service industry, some way or another (aside from able bodied welfare recipients). Employer, Supervisor, wife, girlfriend (maybe all four). Tyler is pounding his head on the proverbial brick wall. He may eventually learn that it hurts... eventually.
 
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Definitely not too old to learn!! I'm learning right now in fact.

My learning from this is that YOU *STILL* don't get it. Keep banging your head on that brick wall. The deal isn't over until both sides are satisfied. Sleep on it a few more weeks. And see how your knife buying and selling on BF works out for you going forward.

My learnings from you, Tyler: I learned quickly that you didn't have the funds to back up your deal, that you quickly decided you were NOT going to consider a refund, and I learned quickly that I was going to have to make this knife right through Reese Weiland. Once I got Reese's concurrence, I quickly decided you needed a bit of the GB&U crucible.

My old rule was not to buy from or sell to guys who are 21 yrs or less (if I can figure that out), or who text insatiably to see if I have shipped yet (and I'm a prompt shipper) ... and to avoid young guys who use words like "Um ..." in their texts. You've taught me to look for deeper feedback history among other things. And you've taught me that *some* 26 yr olds act like they are 17 yrs old and are having their period.

But yes, I'll ask for an inspection period when I remember to... it's just that it has not been necessary with *reputable* knife traders.
 
Ty- I hate to say it but in your attempt to refute everything and trying to blame Rob for being dissatisfied, IMO has done more harm to your reputation than good. I have been following both threads, and up until I read what I did on this page I wouldn't have been against making a purchase from you. You have shown some character traits that I would run from as a buyer.

If Rob were dissatisfied, you should have done everything you could to make it right. Even if that meant offering a full refund as soon as you would be able to.
 
Rob_Angerer said:
I've bought and sold a lot of knives on BF and elsewhere, and it's very rare I've asked a dealer or a forumite for a refund (I can think a a couple instances in a decade, all dealers)... and I've very rarely been asked for one myself (I can't recall one it's been so long). But the deal is, I KNOW how I'll respond... if the buyer has any sort of beef, it's just not worth the postage and insurance for any questioning of my integrity.

Based on the seller's response, I assessed my odds of a full refund as approaching zero (he told me early that "Funds re-allocated, refund not possible".) This was totally unreasonable, as apparently TyFrameLock doesn't have the funds to back up his actions, or they got spent and QUICKLY and without backup resources, and so I trusted that he'd follow through on NOT refunding my money. He put an approximate 24 hour deadline on the $30 (!) refund offer on a $430 knife. So I called Reese, within that time frame, to see if Reese and I could work out the knife-fix-it deal, since the seller was belly up. And for a $30 refund, he'd say "he got his revised deal, I'm done".

There are always second-guessers and armchair analysts. You are missing the point. You might've taken the $30. Your choice. Not mine in this case. I'd rather expose an unscrupulous seller than argue about $30. My time is too valuable to me. YMMV. You can search on "PachaasPaissa" to confirm I don't take dishonesty lightly.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...nd-Moses-amose001-ucr.edu-amoses007-gmail.com

You can take my caveat emptor warning or leave it. Personally, I wouldn't deal with TyFrameLock ever again, as he was quick and resolute in his poor sense of fairness. Your methods might vary. Let the buyer beware. You've been warned.
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Ahh. I see. I'm an "armchair analyst" if I offer a different view of the situation? The guys falling all over themselves to tell you good job, they're fine. But, not me. Gotcha. Here's a tip, Rob: This forum is for us to analyze different situations, when they are presented. Gasp. Never did I say that it was right for the seller to spend the money before you said you were happy. In fact, I said the opposite. Yes, we have a golden rule about deals not being done until both parties are happy. I happen to follow that rule, as my feedback reflects. But, there is also a rule that says you need to have the terms of the sale laid out -before- completing it. I follow that rule, too. You don't. Maybe next time you will. Neither you, nor I, know why the seller needed the funds. Maybe he needed it to keep his power on? Regardless, it's done. Did he ever straight up refuse a refund, like you keep saying, or did he say he couldn't refund all the money right away? Maybe he would have refunded when he got his next paycheck at the end of the week. Who knows? I'm not missing any point, Rob. What I see is that you were both careless. You're the more experienced member, in this exchange. You should have known better. Like I said, I guess next time you will.
 
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