ultimate hard use / abuse knife

BePrepared said:
Have one... LOVE IT... very big
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Nice! Coincidentally, I too live in Austin.

FortyTwoBlades said:
Oh it's fantastic. But I was thinking specifically from the "ultra inexpensive knife in the same size class as the BK-9" angle. The Boomslang is a great value, and dirt cheap for what it is, but it's not AS dirt cheap as the Kumunga. :D
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Haha, that makes sense. The 'slang seems like it'd be great in the whacking/chopping field...dare I say, thrifty mans junglas?
 
The two I have in that dept are the ESEE Junglas and Scrapyard 911, I like both quite a bit, but for that money I'd design my own exactly how I want it in the steel that I want (3V for a little edge retention with a lot of toughness, or 5160 or S7 for even more toughness and giving up some edge retention for ease of sharpening). I plan on having a 10-11" long .25" thick warncliffe or reverse tanto style 3V chopper made at some point.
 
BePrepared said:
TGLB ( This is MY go to survival knife)

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Since yesterday?

LOL.


To the OP...


Non-Bussekin 10inch overall fixed blades for HARD use? Try an ESEE-5 or a BK2.
 
stabman said:
That is still a matter of opinion.
The steel is not magical.
It is not forged in the fires of Mount Doom.
It is steel, a good steel, heat treated quite well, and with a good warranty.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Edge retention is okay.
Stain resistance is alright.
Toughness is rarther tough.

There are tougher steels.
There are steels with far better edge retention.
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This is true. I've never even owned a Busse but I've handled them and played with them, and I've just never dealt with a better fixed blade. And I'm VERY picky when it comes to fixed blades. I'm a folder girl. I own only folders and love folders, I'm not a fixed blade person. But, if I were to get a fixed blade(a larger one for outdoor use) it would have to be a Bussekin, an Esee, or a custom. Like I said, I'm picky lol. Though there is one(larger(over 3" blade)) Benchmade Fixed, a couple of TOPS(only a few look good) fixed, and two Buck(Hoodlum and Hood Punk) fixed I would own.
 
Check out the Ontario Spec Plus line. They have some larger models in 5160 that can handle just about anything and wont break the bank.

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Tripton said:
Since yesterday?

LOL.


To the OP...


Non-Bussekin 10inch overall fixed blades for HARD use? Try an ESEE-5 or a BK2.
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Hey, i'm smart enough to know a good thing when i see it ;) My PREVIOUS go to survival knife didn't fit the criteria. Boomslang is too big
 
Anything from Fherman. I have owned a few dozen Busse knives the years, and while they are nice. I like 3V
better, and the fact that it has solid handle bolts gives me the Fherman nod. When I was 28 years old I had a respectable Busses collection with including two of the first SHBM's ever made. I'm 33 now and spend a lot of time in the woods. I prefer Fherman Knives.
 
nobody mentioned the fallknivens? tough as hell, easy to sharpen and there's a size for most people.
 
stabman said:
That is still a matter of opinion.
The steel is not magical.
It is not forged in the fires of Mount Doom.
It is steel, a good steel, heat treated quite well, and with a good warranty.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Edge retention is okay.
Stain resistance is alright.
Toughness is rarther tough.

There are tougher steels.
There are steels with far better edge retention.
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Ironically you've missed the main distinguishing feature of INFI - the use of nitrogen in its composition. As for the relative toughness of knife steels, to quote someone who actually knows what he is talking about because he has tested:

First off these can quickly be groups into three main catagories :

1) S30V, BG-42 - *low* durability, very brittle stainless steels with next to low impact toughness

2) SR-101 - high flexibility and overall solid edge toughness due to the differential temper and inherently non-brittle nature of SR-101, many times over tougher than the first list .

3) 3V, L6, INFI - all very flexible and impact resistant steels, to pick the more durable one you would want to be very careful in choosing the maker as the grind and heat treatment could move the steels from one over the other.

Swamp Rat does such a good job with their SR-101 it could easily jump up here as well, it isn't as tough as INFI, but is tougher than some blades made out of 3V and L6 because of differences in geometry and heat treatment.

4) S7

S7 is a shock steel, it is actually optimially designed to take heavy loads. For reference its impact toughness is ~twice that of 3V. There are not a lot of people using S7 as a knife steel.

-Cliff
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In practice, going for INFI and Busse for this type of knife is smart, because if you pick one of the other possible steels you're really going to have worry about how they HT it. But with Busse there is no question they will get this right, and their warranty is outstanding.

That said, with a REAL"abuse" knife I'd get a cheaper Swamprat that's almost as tough but a lot cheaper. (Or an MTECH 151 for $25 , because they are damn tough and who cares if you trash it?)
 
I still get confused by people who claim that Infi is the best at whatever.

It's not the toughest. They ( Bussekin/ Busse) even admit S7 is tougher.
Wear resistance? They say( bussekin/Busse) 52100 does better. So do lots of other steels.

Personally I like a few steels more for my uses. I also don't buy their statement that their not providing a sheath is done to help me and make me happy as I can custom make one just for me at a large price.

The warranty is nothing unusual. A large companies store brand they make ( have made for them actually) tools and knives has the same warranty. It even replaced lost tools in the old days but no longer, just broken tools now. The funny thing about it is they charge enough in the original tool/knife for the replacement. If you don't need a replacement you have paid for one for nothing. Naturally they aren't the only tool company that does this.

So, how exactly is Infi the best again? What does it do that other steels or manufacturers don't?

It's a good knife but calling it the best is subjective. It is not a fact. Nor is it
"INFI really is the "ultimate hard use knife" steel"
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I recall hearing the same thing about "carbon V", another fictional steel that did exist, but was made up for marketing purposes just like "Sr101" which is the bearing steel 52100, and "SR77" which is the shock steel S7. Both are excellent steels for the job they were designed for, as well as making good knives. My guess is that their discarded names which are perfectly good were replaced to make them sound like newer, sexier steels that were exclusive to Bussekin. Some try to say they are modified, or the special heat treat exclusive only to Busse makes them in some way different.

Yeah. Marketing. A wonderful thing. P.T.Barnum had it right .

Yes, I have Bussekin and Busse knives ( down to one Infi). Infi doesn't make my top 5. 52100 does though. 3V is another I will take over Infi.

Joe
 
I bet 10K's any day of the week 24/7 that my Busse will beat the crap of any knife made of 3V. The only thing that can compare with 3V is glass.:rolleyes:
I'm still waiting for the V4 to come out :D
 
Supposedly INFI is a good all around steel for "hard use". I don't know what possible task I could be performing that would break .1875" or .25" thick steel aside from applying lateral force, enough of which could snap the blade.
 
demoteamone said:
I bet 10K's any day of the week 24/7 that my Busse will beat the crap of any knife made of 3V. The only thing that can compare with 3V is glass.:rolleyes:
I'm still waiting for the V4 to come out :D
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If there are any takers on that, i've got a boat i'll bet...

Bring on the INFI vs 3V challenge!!
 
3) 3V, L6, INFI - all very flexible and impact resistant steels, to pick the more durable one you would want to be very careful in choosing the maker as the grind and heat treatment could move the steels from one over the other.
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Cliff write this?
3V, it's very flexible and impact resistant steels......? Cliff my old man stop supporting baby new suckers knifemaker on your forum, who use V3........
Treat the knifemakers the same way you treat Bark River Owner, LOL who use V3 as well.
flip flopping ist not an option here
 
The Mastiff said:
I still get confused by people who claim that Infi is the best at whatever.
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It's probably not. But it's a good all-rounder. The last I heard (which was last month) Busse was still willing to take on any competitor in front of an audience and acknowledge the superiority of any maker who could beat his knives on all-round performance - toughness combined with cutting ability, basically. Then you have stuff like this from actual destruction tests:

http://www.knifetest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636

The Skinny AHS-1 gave me a workout. I was finally able to do portions of the tests I haven't done in a while also. It was a fun one.

...That should answer a lot of the critics who have said Busse's are strong simply because of thickness. Glad you did that test, Noss. Thank you. The tip strength demonstration was incredible--you could tell by the penetration in the sheet metal that the thinner blade is significantly more effective at that, and then the impacts point-first into the concrete were just brutal. No surprises under the steel mallet, either--can't think of anything you would use that knife for in the field that would break it, even at just 3/16" thick.
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Busse might not the strongest knives in the world - that's unprovable as well as too vague too answer - but they're a very safe bet for an exceptionally strong knife.

The warranty is nothing unusual. A large companies store brand they make ( have made for them actually) tools and knives has the same warranty. It even replaced lost tools in the old days but no longer, just broken tools now. The funny thing about it is they charge enough in the original tool/knife for the replacement. If you don't need a replacement you have paid for one for nothing. Naturally they aren't the only tool company that does this.
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That's poor logic; you seem to think everyone gets charged enough to buy two knives. No: if only one person in 100 needs a knife replacing, they only need to charge 1% (at most) extra. It reasonably indicates that Busse's have a very low failure rate compared to equivalently proced knives sold without this warranty.
 
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