Unhappy with the knifes action- No Refunds, No Recourse= Out of Luck

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KELAMA said:
^There is absolutely no excuse, for this type of indignant behavior when selling on this forum, but this is the type of behavior I would expect from a seller selling his knives here using an unethical TOS/method of payment which leaves his buyer's completely $hit out of luck with zero recourse. < Which is exactly what we have here.

I don't care what the buyer's reason(s) are, even if I'm not happy with a buyer's request/reason, I will always politely accept back whatever I may have sold, refund their money and then move on.

Unethical F&F seller's/tax cheaters who are clearly becoming so common place here, using this forum only as a means to sell their knives, are an easy pass for me. If these seller's are willing to cheat PayPal, as a means to circumvent the new tax laws which have been put in place by the IRS (whether I agree with them or not); it's no surprise that some of these type seller's would have the same "f%*K you" self-entitled type attitude when dealing with other member's here. For the life of me, I just have a hard time comprehending, why anyone, would Gift/F&F larger sums of money, for an item sight unseen, to a total internet stranger (which is exactly what the seller in question is to me).
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I tend to agree with you John. My priority is to always make sure that the buyer is happy. I would never buy anything using F&F, as it could easily turn into F** k you & Forget you, when a problem arises.
 
I'm still awaiting sickwitit sickwitit posting here. I'll shoot him a PM and invite him more personally.
 
KELAMA said:
^There is absolutely no excuse, for this type of indignant behavior when selling on this forum, but this is the type of behavior I would expect from a seller selling his knives here using an unethical TOS/method of payment which leaves his buyer's completely $hit out of luck with zero recourse. < Which is exactly what we have here.

I don't care what the buyer's reason(s) are, even if I'm not happy with a buyer's request/reason, I will always politely accept back whatever I may have sold, refund their money and then move on.

Unethical F&F seller's/tax cheaters who are clearly becoming so common place here, using this forum only as a means to sell their knives, are an easy pass for me. If these seller's are willing to cheat PayPal, as a means to circumvent the new tax laws which have been put in place by the IRS (whether I agree with them or not); it's no surprise that some of these type seller's would have the same "f%*K you" self-entitled type attitude when dealing with other member's here. For the life of me, I just have a hard time comprehending, why anyone, would Gift/F&F larger sums of money, for an item sight unseen, to a total internet stranger (which is exactly what the seller in question is to me).
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I totally agree. Well said. 👍
 
PM sent...with cc's to my fellow mods. We shall see where this road takes us.
 
KELAMA said:
^There is absolutely no excuse, for this type of indignant behavior when selling on this forum, but this is the type of behavior I would expect from a seller selling his knives here using an unethical TOS/method of payment which leaves his buyer's completely $hit out of luck with zero recourse. < Which is exactly what we have here.

I don't care what the buyer's reason(s) are, even if I'm not happy with a buyer's request/reason, I will always politely accept back whatever I may have sold, refund their money and then move on.

Unethical F&F seller's/tax cheaters who are clearly becoming so common place here, using this forum only as a means to sell their knives, are an easy pass for me. If these seller's are willing to cheat PayPal, as a means to circumvent the new tax laws which have been put in place by the IRS (whether I agree with them or not); it's no surprise that some of these type seller's would have the same "f%*K you" self-entitled type attitude when dealing with other member's here. For the life of me, I just have a hard time comprehending, why anyone, would Gift/F&F larger sums of money, for an item sight unseen, to a total internet stranger (which is exactly what the seller in question is to me).
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Regarding the payment piece of this. As a buyer if you are concerned with anything there is always the option to cover the 3% PP fee for GS in addition to the asking price. If at that point the seller refuses the deal then that is a red flag.

Also, as a note on the tax piece. Sure you automatically get a 1099 on anything over $600 but unless you are making a major profit off of knives you aren't paying anything more in capital gains tax at the end of the year.

Example, you buy a knife at $1000. Sell it for $995. You get a 1099 for the $995 sell. You don't pay taxes on the $995. You could actually report it as a loss of $5.
 
This is another case of this being a community vs a sales site. People who view it as the latter are less pleasant to deal with.

Doesn’t sound like anything is wrong with the knife, so I don’t see the seller as being required to take it back.

But if I was the seller, I would take it back. But I view this place as a community.
 
gamma_nyc said:
Seller should issue prompt refund. Advertising “amazing action” on a knife that is difficult to open is misleading.

If seller refuses to refund then I would post negative feedback, summarizing your complaint, and the original sales link.

Bad sellers are bad for everyone on this site.
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If everyone is going to criticize the "amazing action" piece of this puzzle I think a video should have been included to show that action. Otherwise it is all subjective.
 
Although I have refunded a couple buyers simply because they had buyer's remorse ... I think lately some are pushing the lines with buying and wanting to return it without good reason. And as much as I appreciate the "both parties satisfied" terms ... everyone needs to remember that most sellers here are not dealers and can't just eat shipping fees and run to ship/pickup items everyday.

I totally think if an item is misrepresented or has an issue a refund should be given. But it isn't like a dealer where you buy a knife thinking you'll like it, don't and then expect to be able to just return it within a certain period. It seems several try that and I can understand a sellers reluctance in those cases. Is that a gate you want to open?

Even dealers refuse to sell to repeat returners sometimes ... for a member selling occasionally it isn't usually the same person, but after dealing with a few buyers only for having buyers remorse it can get old.

Be sure you want to sell ... and be sure you want to buy not "try". Just food for thought.

I trust the mods to sort it out fairly as they get more information than we usually do.
 
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The abuse of returns , was worth mentioning, for new members, so they do not get the wrong idea. In my many transactions it has only come up a couple times
I just accepted the return with no problem, but did take note of the buyer .
 
mb> said:
This is another case of this being a community vs a sales site. People who view it as the latter are less pleasant to deal with.

Doesn’t sound like anything is wrong with the knife, so I don’t see the seller as being required to take it back.

But if I was the seller, I would take it back. But I view this place as a community.
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I agree 100% with that. The flip side of that coin is that I see this community as a place that allows us all to experience various knives that we are interested and in turn allow others to do the same thing. I have received a lot of knives that I thought I would love only to realize it wasn't for me.

I never dreamed of asking for a refund because that is not how I personally see the community.
 
With the number of issues being reported lately, and the pulling of teeth required as a result, I may suggest to Spark Spark to add a line in the rules for sellers on the Exchange that requires them to state up front if no refunds will be offered.

It is beyond frustrating to have to deal with people who only seem to have honor when it doesn't require them having to have any.
 
Kevin W. said:
If everyone is going to criticize the "amazing action" piece of this puzzle I think a video should have been included to show that action. Otherwise it is all subjective.
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Totally disagree. If a seller describes condition falsely then the sale should be reversed.
 
Blues said:
With the number of issues being reported lately, and the pulling of teeth required as a result, I may suggest to Spark Spark to add a line in the rules for sellers on the Exchange that requires them to state up front if no refunds will be offered.

It is beyond frustrating to have to deal with people who only seem to have honor when it doesn't require them having to have any.
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Great idea that would well define the conditions of a sale, and prompt buyers to ask more questions and perhaps for better photos.
 
Blues said:
With the number of issues being reported lately, and the pulling of teeth required as a result, I may suggest to Spark Spark to add a line in the rules for sellers on the Exchange that requires them to state up front if no refunds will be offered.

It is beyond frustrating to have to deal with people who only seem to have honor when it doesn't require them having to have any.
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Great Idea
 
JJ_Colt45 said:
Although I have refunded a couple buyers simply because they had buyer's remorse ... I think lately some are pushing the lines with buying and wanting to return it without good reason. And as much as I appreciate the "both parties satisfied" terms ... everyone needs to remember that most sellers here are not dealers and can't just eat shipping fees and run to ship/pickup items everyday.

I totally think if an item is misrepresented or has an issue a refund should be given. But it isn't like a dealer where you buy a knife thinking you'll like it, don't and then expect to be able to just return it within a certain period. It seems several try that and I can understand a sellers reluctance in those cases. Is that a gate you want to open?

Even dealers refuse to sell to repeat returners sometimes ... for a member selling occasionally it isn't usually the same person, but after dealing with a few buyers only for having buyers remorse it can get old.

Be sure you want to sell ... and be sure you want to buy not "try". Just food for thought.

I trust the mods to sort it out fairly as they get more information than we usually do.
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I feel the same way.... good post.
 
Normally I would say just resell it, but the seller would need to disclose that they have trouble opening it, which would reduce the asking price compared to one described as having "amazing action.". If I was the OP I would have a couple other people play with the knife and see if they had the same problem or if the ergos just don't work for him in particular.
 
This is NOT an opinion regarding the OP's situation. This is a comment about the common misconception that "a deal is not a deal until both sides are happy" is a rule. It is not a rule on Blade Forums. And just to be sure, I reread ALL the BF rules again before posting.

Again, this is not a comment or my opinion on how the OP's situation should be handled. This is not my opinion about whether or not "a deal is not a deal until both sides are happy" is right or wrong. It's just stating the fact that this is not a rule.
 
Assuming it is a framelock (which could be wrong), did the buyer ever address the original question as to whether he was squeezing the lockbar, even a little, while opening?

One more thing: amazing action to a CRK Sebenza enthusiast is a lot different than what it means to the drop shut crowd. Just out of curiosity, I'd like OP's opinion on this.
 
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