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Unhappy with the knifes action- No Refunds, No Recourse= Out of Luck
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I have mixed feelings about this. "Amazing action" is really subjective. If it's a new knife to you, maybe you're pressing on the lockbar, maybe you're trying to press against the detent at an angle the knife doesn't like.
I don't think it's excusable for a seller to ghost a feedback thread without responding, which inclines me to side with the OP instead of the seller, but as a seller, I'd be irritated to have a buyer want to return a knife because he couldn't open it the way he liked if I hadn't had any issue. On the other hand, when I sell a knife, I have clear terms of what the return policy is, and I wouldn't sell a knife that I had difficulty opening without saying so. With folders I have started taking short videos for sales threads to demonstrate the opening.
I don't think it's excusable for a seller to ghost a feedback thread without responding, which inclines me to side with the OP instead of the seller, but as a seller, I'd be irritated to have a buyer want to return a knife because he couldn't open it the way he liked if I hadn't had any issue. On the other hand, when I sell a knife, I have clear terms of what the return policy is, and I wouldn't sell a knife that I had difficulty opening without saying so. With folders I have started taking short videos for sales threads to demonstrate the opening.
braillediver
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It is a framelock. I'm not squeezing the locker.
As far as I know- To open the knife you need to insert your thumb into the spydie hole and thumb flick it open. It doesn't roll open like a Spyderco- The geometry and position of the hole etc. doesn't allow that style of operation. I don't have the strength or manual dexterity and it doesn't work for me.
I offered to pay any of the Sellers costs from the get go when I asked to return the knife for a refund.
I didn't want to adjust the knife or mess with it in anyway since I wanted to return it. Take a tool to the knife and it's yours.
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Can you index-finger flip it open?
I have a Koenig Arius. It opens great with the flipper, it opens great with an index finger flip. It does not open easily with a thumb.
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Conjecture on my part But I don't think it's designed to be used that way i.e. Slow Rolled Open. I believe it's designed to be Thumb flicked open Not slow rolled.
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Some can be really finicky and you have to hold everything just right including not touching the clip. I have had knives like that from very respected makers and they were not going to work for me. It doesn't sound like this is going to work for you either, but what is in question is -is there anyything wrong with the knife that prevents you from selling it. That may be your best choice, if there is no problem or it may be your only option if the seller will not take it back. Other than reason the moderators only have one tool-the ban, and while that may give you some satisfaction ,it gets you no money.
Hope you can find a resolution
If it can be easily opened 2 handed, it likely can be opened 1 handed with good technique.
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It is incapable of being slow rolled open. I don't think it's the detent. I believe the design geometry negates the ability to slow roll the knife open- It's not designed to be used that way- Slow rolled open.
Yes sir SS! We've both seen this happen way more times than we could possibly count over the years, in the GBU.
The fact that there are so many seller's here (some brand new), routinely listing higher dollar knives (Shiro's, Koenig's & Strider's to name a few), asking well over $1k for their wares; only willing to accept PPFF as their method of payment, is absolutely mind boggling to me. More mind boggling that that- Are the member's here whom have zero hesitation agreeing to such stupid, highly insulting sales terms, via the anonymity of the INTERNET!
Thank you, K Shooter! I appreciate your thoughtful word's.I totally agree. Well said.
I'm very well aware of everything in relation to PayPal's sales terms/new 1099 tax laws. I used PayPal successfully as a buyer/seller for over 2k+ transactions for over 18+ years....
But then again, I used PayPal in a manner to which I agreed to, following their strictly worded sales terms, and why I was ALWAYS protected, as both a buyer and a seller. And they (PayPal) always had my back involving a few disputes I had to file over the years, because of my honesty/integrity/ethics. They sided with me every single time, and not once did they doubt my version of what transpired.
It's all a moot point now, as I deactivated my PP account this past year and will not be using them moving forward. Bottom line: I will never be filing a 1099 just so that I may continue to enjoy a hobby, any hobby! If this means there will come a time when I have to cease partaking in a hobby without risk of facing this type of absurd scrutiny (paying the King's ransom), then so be it.
Just reading all of the contrasting opinions posted here, scrutinizing every aspect of this transaction/knife, by so many highly respected member's, makes it pretty clear to me, on just how, "it is all subjective" this hobby truly is.
I personally feel that this would be an excellent idea. I mean it's pretty ridiculous that a transaction, can't be handled (this is by no means meant as a dig at the OP- Braillediver) amicably, between 2 grown adults.
^ Perfectly stated- X 1000 Likes!
Everyone here already knows what an awesome guy you are Blues; I still just wanted to say "thanks again," for all the selfless overtime you spend here, assisting us, especially these past couple of days, while we've all been out enjoying our Friday, Saturday....
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That is not my department, or decission. Just saying that is what is in the moderators tool bag-other than trying to reason with the parties. The moderator can't force a return.
So far I can't determine if there is a problem with the knife or not, but I would take it back in either case. If it is defective, I owe it to the buyer. If not it is not worth argueing over it. It will sell again.
Hopefully reason wins the day, no matter what that answer is.
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As far as I can tell, the seller has not violated any Blade Forum rules to give the mods any reason to even consider it. As you implied, there's no rule that says the seller must accept a return when the buyer is unhappy. This is an unpleasant situation that both parties find themselves and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there's a solution that would appease both. Although we have not heard from the seller.
If I were the seller I would just suck up the annoyance and accept the return, especially considering the OPs willingness to pay excess expenses. It's a pain in the rear to have to relist and wait another 6 months to sell it for 75% off but thems the breaks when selling customs here.
If I were the OP however, I would tinker with it to get it right and live with it for a bit. Surely you were drawn to the knife for more than the promised action, yes?. If after some interaction with it I still wasn't a fan, then I would just suck up the annoyance and list it on the exchange for 75% off what you bought it for.
If I were the OP however, I would tinker with it to get it right and live with it for a bit. Surely you were drawn to the knife for more than the promised action, yes?. If after some interaction with it I still wasn't a fan, then I would just suck up the annoyance and list it on the exchange for 75% off what you bought it for.
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IF the knife is as advertised, there is no written rule broken.
The OP has so far been a bit vague on this.
I am not calling for a ban, or can I ever remember calling for a members ban, though I may have agreed with a moderators decission when they have taken such action.
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