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The BladeForums.com 2024 Traditional Knife is ready to order! See this thread for details: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-2024-traditional-knife.2003187/
Price is$300$250 ea (shipped within CONUS). If you live outside the US, I will contact you after your order for extra shipping charges.
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Can't go wrong there
Ray
Well ..., actually you can.
They are quite fragile, as compared to some more modern dagger renditions.
Depends on your use of course.
If its for admiring the WWII history of these and the slinking about in the alleys of Shanghai brandishing small stubby daggers, from which the FS sprang - then go ahead and buy one.
If its for a practical hard use blade ... then not so much.
Im a fan but sturdy, the FS is not.
Yes, they would be able to tell the difference, because with the shank they will have to be stabbed fifty times and will die an hour later, while with a sharp dagger you stab once and make it come out sideways, for more damage in one stab than in fifty...
The recipient will know the difference, trust me.
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Can't go wrong there
Ray
As a Brit ( but living in Texas for the last 35 years!) I could be seriously tempted by a Fairbairn- Sykes "style" dagger but I remember handling them recently and felt they left a little to be desired when compared too a modern knife - still love the blade shape tho'.
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And what proof do you have for this claim?
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Rudy Pattay makes a custom Mark 2 wasp with a full tang epoxied to the handle & a soldered guard for $200-ish. The two on the right are his version:
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Nice!
A very respectful homage to the original IMO.
I do like the MKII pattern.
A very respectful homage to the original IMO.
I do like the MKII pattern.
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.....very simple question here, as you state this with some authority, how many stabbings have you been present for or in the immediate aftermath to state this ? What is it that you think makes you an authority on the subject ? As frankly others have a significant personal (repeated) experience of the matter at hand.
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Sykes and Fairbairn were very specific about the necessity for sharp edges which would slice through arteries and veins.
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I agree with this. I had one about 20 years ago. I broke it. However, like all knives, if used within their parameters, it should hold up just fine. I used to worry about the stubby epoxied tang of the Gerber MKii holding up. Generally the blade will snap before the tang manages to loosen from the handle. Even so, its a killing knife. I'm not going to chop, pry, or try and force it to build me a shelter.
If you were to hand me a FS knife and toss me into a dirty, bloody fight for my life I think it would more than hold up to piecing caradids, puncturing guts, and severing tendons of the wrist. You could probably carve your way through 50 men before you managed to bend it
It's an absolutely terrible knife for survival. It also wouldn't be my choice to square off in a sabre style bowie fight where you do your level best NOT to get cut. However, if I were to be mugged from behind via a sneaky grapple, there aren't many blades I would choose ahead of the FS to jam into any soft bits I can reach. They are ridiculously deadly in the application they were designed around.
Buy once again, you are correct. Certainly not as robust as most other daggers, including the MKII.
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I agree with this. I had one about 20 years ago. I broke it. However, like all knives, if used within their parameters, it should hold up just fine. I used to worry about the stubby epoxied tang of the Gerber MKii holding up. Generally the blade will snap before the tang manages to loosen from the handle. Even so, its a killing knife. I'm not going to chop, pry, or try and force it to build me a shelter.
If you were to hand me a FS knife and toss me into a dirty, bloody fight for my life I think it would more than hold up to piecing caradids, puncturing guts, and severing tendons of the wrist. You could probably carve your way through 50 men before you managed to bend it
It's an absolutely terrible knife for survival. It also wouldn't be my choice to square off in a sabre style bowie fight where you do your level best NOT to get cut. However, if I were to be mugged from behind via a sneaky grapple, there aren't many blades I would choose ahead of the FS to jam into any soft bits I can reach. They are ridiculously deadly in the application they were designed around.
Buy once again, you are correct. Certainly not as robust as most other daggers, including the MKII.
I agree - within the design parametres, the FS works just as intended.
And no, most defo not a survival knife.
MKII stubby tang; I owned several of these prior to stumbling over an article, which showed the tang.
I was flabbergasted!!
As you mention, its a tiny little tang barely stuck in the handle.
The epoxy they use is top notch though.
I havent wailed on any of my Gerber MKIIs but others have beaten the snot out of them - not least in Vietnam.
Ive seen evidence of blades broken and guard 'horns' snapped but not one single instance of tang failure.
Amazing.
The FS does what it says on the box - the MKII is in a sense a sort of product improvement ... though of course a direct comparison is hardly fair.
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I've been lusting after this knife for about a year now. Haven't pulled the trigger on a purchase ... yet.Spartan George V14
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Ah Dagger: a complete fantasy of mine at this point but the "Evil Genius" has hinted that he may be considering to some sort of production version of the above:
FS styleintegral dagger in 2018 / 2019. AFAIK, only three of the above exist in the wild, all three of them with 3 different esteemed members of this Community.
I hope that the "production" version of the above or similar, will not force me to sell my SUV for a Honda Fit or something similar in order to raise the extra
required capital or to apply for a new HELOC
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In regards to my previous posts on the FS and Gerber MKII;
Here my FS from the forties.
Marked William Rodgers, Sheffield, England IIRC
It is most likely of immediate post War manufacture.
For an old knife, it has held up fine and should be able to still do exactly, what it was made for all those years ago.
This one was carried on the harness of a soldier during 'The Troubles/Na Triobloidi.'
Carried a lot by - as evidenced by handle wear - but used little and then only for mundane tasks, though the FS is not the most practical tool for everyday tasks.
The soldier, from whom I bought the knife stated, that he had not used the FS in anger during The Troubles - Im just fine with that.
Next to it, another classic from yet another conflict - the Gerber MKII.
Its almost an unfair comparison, as one is of course from an older era but the difference between the two patterns are evident.
Both functional knives each in their own right.
The MKII is the more sturdy knife and a great design.
Its relatively underrated, as it in the eyes of most tend to disappear in the deluge of crappy blades, Gerber churns out these days and of course due to the plethora of other daggers.
The MKII is the sturdier one of the two pictured.
How ever - as Steely_Gunz have mentioned - I likewise would most certainly not feel 'undergunned' with the venerable FS.
Cant beat the time proven classics.
Here my FS from the forties.
Marked William Rodgers, Sheffield, England IIRC
It is most likely of immediate post War manufacture.
For an old knife, it has held up fine and should be able to still do exactly, what it was made for all those years ago.
This one was carried on the harness of a soldier during 'The Troubles/Na Triobloidi.'
Carried a lot by - as evidenced by handle wear - but used little and then only for mundane tasks, though the FS is not the most practical tool for everyday tasks.
The soldier, from whom I bought the knife stated, that he had not used the FS in anger during The Troubles - Im just fine with that.
Next to it, another classic from yet another conflict - the Gerber MKII.
Its almost an unfair comparison, as one is of course from an older era but the difference between the two patterns are evident.
Both functional knives each in their own right.
The MKII is the more sturdy knife and a great design.
Its relatively underrated, as it in the eyes of most tend to disappear in the deluge of crappy blades, Gerber churns out these days and of course due to the plethora of other daggers.
The MKII is the sturdier one of the two pictured.
How ever - as Steely_Gunz have mentioned - I likewise would most certainly not feel 'undergunned' with the venerable FS.
Cant beat the time proven classics.
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You need an auto. This arrives thursday.
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When your opponent sees the death card he will cower in terror and urinate on himself. You won't even have to fire it
Microtech ultratech death card d/e
When your opponent sees the death card he will cower in terror and urinate on himself. You won't even have to fire it
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