Update: Need Advice on A Transaction"

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Gastonknife said:
Something just does not make sense. How can a bank check - drawn on a bank - still not have cleared 3 weeks later?? The plot here remains thick.
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You are going by the assumption that the check is good. If it's not it can take 3 plus week before it's found out. This time frame is not at all unusual.
 
Parker, if Wells Fargo is your bank then of course they won't know. You need to contact the bank that the check was drawn on. Your bank can absolutely get you this information and you can make a call and put an end to this.
 
knifehunt said:
You are going by the assumption that the check is good. If it's not it can take 3 plus week before it's found out. This time frame is not at all unusual.
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Just to clarify, I did not intend to state/assume whether it was good or bad - I obviously have no idea. However, seems odd that after 3 weeks no one knows? An answer seems to be attainable by someone in this deal by now.
If it is bad, then we can deduce that the buyer is not trustworthy, and the seller is out his knives. If it is indeed good, back to square one; he said - she said.
I do have to say however, that I am not overly impressed with some of the Sellers comments about how to resolve the issue if the check does clear. Splitting the loss would not be fair to the buyer.
 
Counterfeit cashier's checks are a favorite of Nigerian scammers and others who go to great lengths to hide their identity. I don't get the impression that this buyer is anonymous to the seller. Assuming that to be the case, how likely is it that he gave the seller a counterfeit cashier's check? Trust me - law enforcement would take that seriously. Why has the seller been so seemingly unwilling to simply call the issuing bank and confirm the legitimacy of the check? Bottom line - the check is almost certainly good. That, of course, answers only part of the question. The next issue is the contents of the envelope. The seller could have shorted the buyer, or the buyer could be lying about what was in the envelope. On that score, there is no way anyone here can divine the truth.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Based on the obviously false claim that the buyer made that the package wight showed that the items were not shipped (there is no weight in USPS Priority Postage)
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The usps website asks for weight, even on priority packages, to calculate postage.
I always ship priority and every shipment I've made has been weighed right in front of me and the weight marked on the package.

Edited to add; I have a flat rate box here now that was sent to me. It also clearly has the weight of the package marked on the usps label.
 
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Gastonknife said:
Just to clarify, I did not intend to state/assume whether it was good or bad - I obviously have no idea. However, seems odd that after 3 weeks no one knows? An answer seems to be attainable by someone in this deal by now.
If it is bad, then we can deduce that the buyer is not trustworthy, and the seller is out his knives. If it is indeed good, back to square one; he said - she said.
I do have to say however, that I am not overly impressed with some of the Sellers comments about how to resolve the issue if the check does clear. Splitting the loss would not be fair to the buyer.
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It's not odd at all because has not done what is needed to find out, and that is to call the issuing bank. This is the ONLY way he will know for sure. Parker is the one who needs to tell us if it's good or not, and not the buyer because of course he will tell us it's good. The longer that check shows pending, the more likely it is fraudulent. Most banks post on their website that it can take 3 plus weeks for a Cashiers check to clear.
 
Karda said:
The usps website asks for weight, even on priority packages, to calculate postage.
I always ship priority and every shipment I've made has been weighed right in front of me and the weight marked on the package.

Edited to add; I have a flat rate box here now that was sent to me. It also clearly has the weight of the package marked on the usps label.
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I should have specified "USPS Flat Rate Priority Mail." I ship USPS Flat Rate Priority Mail packages daily with my small business. They NEVER have the weight on the postage label. There may be some USPS Priority Mail postage label that show the weight, but not the ones generated at my Post Office.
 
Karda said:
The usps website asks for weight, even on priority packages, to calculate postage.
I always ship priority and every shipment I've made has been weighed right in front of me and the weight marked on the package.

Edited to add; I have a flat rate box here now that was sent to me. It also clearly has the weight of the package marked on the usps label.
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Really? I have several that I received in the past two weeks, and none have the weight on the label. I also recently mailed several Flat Rate boxes, and none have weight on the mailing weight receipt. This goes to shows that not all Post offices do things the same way.

The only weight confirmation the buyer has is that he claims it was weighed upon receiving buy the receiving company.
 
knifehunt said:
You are going by the assumption that the check is good. If it's not it can take 3 plus week before it's found out. This time frame is not at all unusual.
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To me, the question is: what if the check is good? We still won't know if the buyer has the knives or not. We're still back to the same problem. If the check is bad, we can pretty much assume the buyer has the knives. If the check is bad, at least that's a staring point towards closure.
 
netguy1999 said:
To me, the question is: what if the check is good? We still won't know if the buyer has the knives or not. We're still back to the same problem. If the check is bad, we can pretty much assume the buyer has the knives. If the check is bad, at least that's a staring point towards closure.
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I really do not see this ending well no matter what at this point. Someone will have gotten screwed, that's for certain.
 
ncrockclimb said:
You do not know that. The buyer could be lying and have all the items. The seller could be lying too...

This is one giant pile of "he said, he said." Based on the obviously false claim that the buyer made that the package wight showed that the items were not shipped (there is no weight in USPS Priority Postage), I tend not to trust the buyer. That is just me, and others might feel differently. However, ANYONE siding with one party over the other is doing so based on opinion and not overwhelming evidence.
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You're absolutely right in that we do not know. That said, we have to take the view that neither party is lying until evidenced otherwise.

Thus, returning the check is the most pragmatic solution.
 
ooitzoo said:
You're absolutely right in that we do not know. That said, we have to take the view that neither party is lying until evidenced otherwise.

Thus, returning the check is the most pragmatic solution.
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Unless the knives were stolen in transit, someone is lying. If the check is returned and the knives were, in fact, shipped but stolen in transit, the seller is out the value of the knives. That would be his fault for not insuring them. If the check is returned and the buyer is lying, the seller is out the value of the knives because the buyer is a thief. If the check is not returned and the knives didn't arrive to the buyer for any reason, the seller is a thief. Did I miss anything?
 
I agree except you cannot pinpoint who's lying. Hence you have go by the "no trade complete until both sides happy" principle.

EDIT: the fact that neither party seems terribly interested in coming on here to work toward a solution suggests they've either resolved it privately or something isn't kosher.
 
ooitzoo said:
I agree except you cannot pinpoint who's lying. Hence you have go by the "no trade complete until both sides happy" principle.

EDIT: the fact that neither party seems terribly interested in coming on here to work toward a solution suggests they've either resolved it privately or something isn't kosher.
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It's been a weird one since jump street. I have no confidence at all that we'll ever know the truth. For me - no deals with anyone with less than lots of good feedback.
 
HappyDaddy said:
If the check is not returned and the knives didn't arrive to the buyer for any reason, the seller is a thief. Did I miss anything?
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How do you come to that conclusion? If the knives didn't arrive because they were stolen in transit, this makes the seller a thief? Are you kidding? The one thing no one will ever know is where the knives are whether they were shipped, or not.
 
HappyDaddy said:
It's been a weird one since jump street. I have no confidence at all that we'll ever know the truth. For me - no deals with anyone with less than lots of good feedback.
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Now see I understand what you are saying but how does one get a rating unless one of us gives him/her the chance to earn a rating. This could have all be avoided if the seller would have just said no to a cashiers check. PayPal only that's it simple PayPal protects you they do all the bs leg work and you get you stuff or money back. If you use PayPal a itrader score shouldn't really matter. But that's just me I'm willing to give a guy a start someone gave me one.
 
knifehunt said:
How do you come to that conclusion? If the knives didn't arrive because they were stolen in transit, this makes the seller a thief? Are you kidding? The one thing no one will ever know is where the knives are whether they were shipped, or not.
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Simple really - It's the seller's responsibility to get the knives to the buyer. If they don't get to the buyer (for any reason) and the seller keeps the buyer's money, he's a thief.
 
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