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I don't think he knows the issuing bank, as he didn't photocopy it before deposit. He would also need the routing number which I'm sure he does not have. Parkertelmo, you need to actually walk into your bank, and have them look up that Cashiers Check, they should have a record along with a photocopy. The issuing bank is who you need to contact to verify if the check was fraudulent or not. They are the only one who can verify this 100%. If your bank still has it as pending, something is very wrong. Also, the buyer should at the very least provide Parkertelmo with a photo of the carbon copy so he can make the call. If your not part of the solution, then your part of the problem.
And this is why they are both going on the list of do not do business with. We will likely never know who is at fault here. And if either party came on here with a resolution without the other party's confirmation of such a resolution would we believe him? The seller hasn't done even the most basic things to help himself. The buyer is treating this community like a court of law. He also should have used paypal. If the buyer is telling the truth this whole situation would have been avoided had he used paypal. Situations like this are what paypal goods is for.
If only people would seek this place out before they have a problem rather than after. Of course that rarely happens.
gonebad395
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Agree I wouldn't do any deals with either after this whole situation. But I will say I don't mind how the buyer is treat the situation down to the point and direct he's not falling into the drama pot stirring comments. The seller I agree with you it treating this very in the windish I hope it all works out but as said 100times use paypal.
He uses very condescending language:
He is also not even acknowledging some of the most basic problems we have here and nor is he willing to clarify these points through evidence:
Where is the evidence of ^this? So we take some new guy's condescending word for it? Not me.
I've already said it before, the seller is only here to buy. He is not a participating member of this community. He is treating us like his private court. He is dictating to us what we should think the facts of the situation are. Such behavior stinks IMO. Further, there is no recourse here for him. He has no good name to clear as he has barely a name here at all. This community can actually do nothing for him and nor is he here asking for help. All of this is in the hands of the law now.
The seller isn't providing basic information to clear his name either.
This whole thing is a mess and rather than pulling this community together, it is getting us to argue with each other. Both on the list and moving on.
gonebad395
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I see what your saying I missed his clue comment agree on list ttyl.
I have to agree with you . Neither party seems to want to resolve the situation. If I thought I had deposited a fraudulent Cashiers Check, I would be on the buyer like a cheap suit, and i would make the effort to find out if it was good or not. The seller in this case just wants to sit back and see if it clears or not. There is no reason at all why at this point, parkertelmo can not walk into his bank and have them look up the check and get him the information need to call the issuing bank and put an end to this. Again, if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem.
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Heres an update: just got off the phone with wells fargo there is NO way to indefinitely tell if the check is fraudulent but it is still in blue showing pending and i deposited the check on the 25th of November and could still bounce. Regardless, if the buyer is sure that the package was not tampered with as he put in our conversation(pics upon request) i dont have much of a case with the postal inspectors i have filed a claim with. He says he knows i only shipped one sheath due to the weight on the package although there was NO WEIGHT anywhere on the package. As i said before whats keeping this guy from having my knives and just lying to get some portion of his money back? Thanks for the support guys.
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Something just does not make sense. How can a bank check - drawn on a bank - still not have cleared 3 weeks later?? The plot here remains thick.
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There is a lesson to be learned here though. Regardless of whether this cashier check is good or not. Maybe Ebay and craigslist have a warning about cashier checks for a reason. I believe the seller that the check has not cleared. It was 3/4 weeks before my bro in law had the funds taken back from his account after the check was cashed. Theres a weakness in the cashier check law that people exploit. The funds must be made available within 24/72 hours from deposit but it can take a month for the issuing bank to reject the check as fake. Honestly if I hadnt already seen that happen I would have thought oh moneys in account Im good to go and sent package too. This post is not to take sides or accuse anyone of anything. Just a word of caution about cashier checks in general.
I'm using tiny little words to dissect the incident. If you don't want questions like that answered don't ask in the open; PM the seller.
Why did he send the package before the payment cleared? Because the Seller trusted that the payment from the buyer was good.
Was that a mistake? It remains to be seen but we're coming to just about the point where a deposit would bounce if it wasn't legit.
Perhaps Danke42 was there but I am guessing he knows the seller shipped on trust because the seller said he shipped on trust. Was it a good idea? That is only question you could ask about the circumstances surrounding the shipment before the check cleared. You original question was answered almost a month ago in the original thread.
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Let's be clear. You have (almost) no case with postal inspectors unless cmac has a history of this kind of thing.
Right now, you have his check (real or otherwise) and he's got nothing.
You're also treating this like its no big deal. You have to see how that looks.
IMHO just send him back his check and try to collect insurance from USPS. I don't know who's right or wrong but that seems to be the most pragmatic solution.
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You do not know that. The buyer could be lying and have all the items. The seller could be lying too...
This is one giant pile of "he said, he said." Based on the obviously false claim that the buyer made that the package wight showed that the items were not shipped (there is no weight in USPS Priority Postage), I tend not to trust the buyer. That is just me, and others might feel differently. However, ANYONE siding with one party over the other is doing so based on opinion and not overwhelming evidence.
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