Update: Need Advice on A Transaction"

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"A cashier's check or cheque is a check guaranteed by a bank, drawn on the bank's own funds and signed by a cashier. Cashier's checks are treated as guaranteed funds because the bank, rather than the purchaser, is responsible for paying the amount. They are commonly required for real estate and brokerage transactions. A customer asks a bank for a cashier's check, the bank debits the amount from the customer's account immediately, and then the bank assumes the responsibility for covering the cashier's check. This is in contrast with a personal check, where the bank does not debit the amount from the customer's account until the check is deposited or cashed by the recipient. "
 
Thomas Linton said:
"A cashier's check or cheque is a check guaranteed by a bank, drawn on the bank's own funds and signed by a cashier. Cashier's checks are treated as guaranteed funds because the bank, rather than the purchaser, is responsible for paying the amount. They are commonly required for real estate and brokerage transactions. A customer asks a bank for a cashier's check, the bank debits the amount from the customer's account immediately, and then the bank assumes the responsibility for covering the cashier's check. This is in contrast with a personal check, where the bank does not debit the amount from the customer's account until the check is deposited or cashed by the recipient. "
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That's assuming it's legit in the first place. Plenty of scams involving cashier's checks.
 
Lone_Wolfe said:
By now I think we'd know. The seller apparently has the buyer's money, and the buyer has no knives.
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If that's the case and this is true the checks cleared then the seller should be sending the buyer his money back. 100% the deal is not done till the buyer receives his knives. It's not the buyers fault the knives didn't show up its the senders. The seller should have insured the knives worth it's not the buyers problem just pay the guy back.
 
I think on the photo the buyer posted of the mailing envelope the postage paid was about double the cost of the Flat Rate postage so it looks like insurance must have been bought. Problem is the buyer says the package shows no sign of tampering. Postal insurance is unlikely to pay if there is no evidence of the package being tampered with and the items stolen in transit, nor is it going to pay if the seller never included them in the mailer. Insurance will pay for damage or loss and loss is a complete package going missing (before delivery), or a package obviously tampered with and items stolen from it before delivery.

In the end this is just going to be one man's word against another. It will be up to the postal inspectors now to decide if either the seller or the buyer is lying and if so it is a case of mail fraud, or if it was indeed tampered with and items stolen in transit by a postal worker, that is if they even get involved.
 
The buyer needs to be given a refund if the knives are not going to be shipped.
The seller needs to have all of his items returned if there is dissatisfaction with the transaction.
No need to continue this, if both parties agree, then undo the deal. Keep it simple stupid.
This going back and forth is completely ridiculous.
Ask the questions you need to BEFORE agreeing to do anything. Know exactly what it is you are buying, the condition it is in, and the reputation of the seller. Know who you are selling, research their username, is there any history that may be relevant? All of those things factor into the equation. I can't believe why there needs to be so much drama involved in some transactions, it's as if people need to have things drawn out for weeks in order to get something so simple done.
 
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RevDevil said:
The buyer needs to be given a refund if the knives are not going to be shipped.
The seller needs to have all of his items returned if there is dissatisfaction with the transaction.
No need to continue this, if both parties agree, then undo the deal. Keep it simple stupid.
This going back and forth is completely ridiculous.
Ask the questions you need to BEFORE agreeing to do anything. Know exactly what it is you are buying, the condition it is in, and the reputation of the seller. Know who you are selling, research their username, is there any history that may be relevant? All of those things factor into the equation. I can't believe why there needs to be so much drama involved in some transactions, it's as if people need to have things drawn out for weeks in order to get something so simple done.
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Some people need drama.

One good thing that usually comes from these threads, trolls identify themselves and are more easily added to the "never do business with" list.
 
RevDevil said:
The buyer needs to be given a refund if the knives are not going to be shipped.
The seller needs to have all of his items returned if there is dissatisfaction with the transaction.
No need to continue this, if both parties agree, then undo the deal. Keep it simple stupid.
This going back and forth is completely ridiculous.
Ask the questions you need to BEFORE agreeing to do anything. Know exactly what it is you are buying, the condition it is in, and the reputation of the seller. Know who you are selling, research their username, is there any history that may be relevant? All of those things factor into the equation. I can't believe why there needs to be so much drama involved in some transactions, it's as if people need to have things drawn out for weeks in order to get something so simple done.
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I agree with your post, RD; everything is spelled out very clearly. With that said, this transaction is obviously very unique (knives shipped in an envelope/cashier's check/2 knives go missing). I know how I'd handle this situation (regardless of what side of the coin I was on), if I were involved in this transaction...but I'm not. It appears, that the, buyer, & seller, are at an impasse.

lawfor said:
Exactly my point. I don't know who is in the right here but what I do know is that despite the best efforts of mods, all too often people jump into these threads and start calling people thieves, liars, scammers, dirtbags, etc -- all before or without being certain of all the facts. We all know how the relative anonymity of the internet makes some people quite brave in name-calling. Honestly, what threads like this need is more dry matter of fact "facts" as opposed to a ton of opinions that may or may not be helpful depending on the person offering it. I've been very lucky and have not had to post a thread in this section myself (although I am now dealing with a maker who I paid a very large sum of money to almost a year ago who still refuses to finish the knives and deliver - another story) and I would hesitate to do so because I see how people who do often get treated by what amounts to a cyber lynch mob.
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^^^
Isn't that the truth! :thumbup:

FWIW: the "ignore list," is a very wonderful feature, which can be used free of charge.

Best of luck, seeking justice with that maker, whomever he is. :thumbup:
 
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Yeah, seems both buyer and seller have flew the coop. Neither is providing regular updates.
 
First, it seems fairly impossible to be able to say what really happened here. I do not blame the buyer for not coming here, as the jump to conclusions lynch mob called him a thief and scammer b4 anyone even had info necessary to say.
Assuming the check cleared.....which it absolutely should have by now......absent of any other evidence, seems like the buyer is due a refund.
 
ooitzoo said:
Any update on this? Seems neither the seller or buyer have opined in a little bit.
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The seller said in the previous thread that he planned to keep the money and leave the buyer hanging. He obviously did just that, with no proof that the buyer lied about anything.
 
Lone_Wolfe said:
The seller said in the previous thread that he planned to keep the money and leave the buyer hanging. He obviously did just that, with no proof that the buyer lied about anything.
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I sent parkertelmo a PM advising him that he might want to rethink that strategy.
 
No i just have funds still pending update: called the bank the check has still not gone through. Im pretty sure its a fake. Thanks guys.
 
parkertelmo said:
No i just have funds still pending update: called the bank the check has still not gone through. Im pretty sure its a fake. Thanks guys.
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Can you ask the bank to verify if the check is authentic or counterfeit? They should be able to tell you that much, especially after however many days it's been already. ALmost sounds like someone at the bank is jerking you around.
 
I wonder if military legal assitance can help to verify the payment. I saw that they can help in consumer affairs, which might fit this case.
 
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