Gus,
In all fairness to Kevin people just don't talk about those things unless they can prove who did it and where the blades went. He can't although his emails do mention names and very suspect dealers. I won't release that info as it is not my place or style.
And another issue that I feel needs addressing. When trying to determine how the handle should be cut, the handle material itself was in question.
How do you cut a material when you don't really know what it is?
G-10 was the main suspect and I think it was mentioned before but to read the specs on a Mad Dog dealer site you would think that you would need to do some sort of spectral analysis to determine waht it is as it does not say anywhere I could find. If anyone knows were MAD DOG directly admits what his handle material is please chime in.
Also in setting up the web pages I showed what each manufacturers handle material was. MAD DOG? So I went to several MAD DOG sites to get the official name of the material. There was not one. All of the manufacturers listed their handle materials as simple named materials like Resiprene C, Kraton, Leather, etc
Not MAD DOG.
So listed composite even though I now know otherwise.
The below is not meant as a flame although it will have that perception in the minds of a select few. It is merely meant to inform you on the makings of a MAD DOG and is based upon information I have been forwarded and discovered on my on.
I do have some questions on his marketing methods when it concerns the specs he uses for his knives.
The following can be found here.
www.streetpro.com
Mad Dog Knives uses Starrett 496-O1 high carbon tool steel on all steel
blades. Hardened, then selectively tempered, our blades have a Rockwell
C-scale hardness of 62 at the edge (hard as a file), and a HRC 50-54 throughout the spine and full hidden tang. This provides superior edge-holding ability with exceptional durability for prying and chopping. Each blade is then hard chromed, providing excellent corrosion inhibition.
The ergonomic grip indexes the blade in the user's hand, thus letting the user know how the blade is presented, even in the dark. MDK uses a glass/epoxy composite grip material that is compression bonded to the hidden full tang. With a compressive yields trength of 79,000 psi, the grip can withstand tremendous punishment with no damage. The composite grip material provides 1,000 volts per mil (.001") dielectric strength that
electricaly isolates the user from the blade. Our grip material is also
impervious to virtually all chemicals and solvents.
OK His edge is 62RC. This is too hard IMHO and that is why his blades chip. Also keep in mind you can not NAIL a 62RC every time and therefor some blades will sneak out the door with an even higher RC and on the
www.knifeandtool.com site it shows a 62-63RC and that is why you see blades chipping. He says he has not seen this as a problem? OK.
Now he says the spine and tang are 50-54? OK the edge is dead on 62 but the rest of the knife varies from 50-54? OK fine. Now use a bit of logic here. You have a knife with a soft spine and tang but a hard ass edge? Hummmmm...
Ever do a stress test on a piece of steel? I bet that knife will snap big time in a vise. But Kevin would then say he does not make his knives to be snapped in a vise and that is a valid point. But the above will tell you
why the Cliff Stamp issue occurred. The same blade with different hardness at different points under stress will fail. Sorry, simply physics here.
Now onto the handle. Want to see some familiar numbers? Check this out.
http://www.norplex.com/tier3pgs/glaframes/g10.htm
The dielectric test on the chart was on a piece .062"and the value is was 60, giving you a 1,000 Volts for a .001" piece.
The compressive yield strength in the charts test shows 65,000. Kevin says 79,000 and that is fine as I remember another site with a similar number but can't remember where.
The rest of the info is also mentioned on the charts page. A simple search in Alta Vista will yield a ton of info on G-10.
So in a nutshell the handle is not some magic proprietary, composite handle material. It appears to me to be nothing more than G-10. That is fine and G-10 is a very well proven handle material but to make it sound like rocket science is used to make this magical super high strength handle is quite misleading IMHO.
The GLUE which is in the handle is no magic either. According to a former Mad Dog employee it is nothing more than Brown Ls Accra Glass Epoxy. That is fine too as it is a proven material but I think I heard it was some special process as well. Maybe it is now but not on this knife.
As I stated in the tests, Mad Dog makes excellent knives, and his fighters are absolutely kick ass! I also stated that his knife was no chopper and it is not.
He is the only maker to complain about my testing methodology and in his emails he flat out questions my integrity (that is the polite way to state what he said). So now that he questions my integrity I am simply questioning his. Is that a flame? Not in my opinion, it is merely my observation and since I can not post on his forum, I will do so here.
Again please do not start flame wars here. The above is pure information and is not meant to be a flame but a statement of fact. Sometimes facts are veiwed as flames. If necessary I will move this thread to community or TGTBTU but the facts will come out as my testing has been called a big lie.
That is fine as I actually expected it. Now that I have been called a liar and my test declared BS I will simply state the facts as Cliff did when his integrity was called into question. I am just not sure if I can be a clear and level headed as Cliff was
So I will try to be good and if you guys want I will not present any more facts.
Remember my number one rule. No personal Attacks please. Of course you can attack me as has already been done. Since I am the one who did the test having my results questioned due to my business relationships is fine. Again for the record I am no longer a distributor for any manufacturer including Busse. I will fill backorders and then I am done. All future orders go to JRS.
Man I think I just wrote a book!
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