Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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Mike Hull said:
Or, if any of this took place by mail, or at a knife show, file a mail fraud charge with the postmaster(it's not hard). That's a felony, IIRC, and they do persue these things.
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It did take place by mail (as posts at the start of the thread and all the way throughout it indicate) but alas postal inspectors usually require multiple reports before they act, plus they are less likely to act on foreigner's behalf - this is apparently what Kyle the thief is counting on, trying to scam Dan out of the $200-odd sum he recieved for "supplies and tools".
 
faramir said:
It did take place by mail (as posts at the start of the thread and all the way throughout it indicate) but alas postal inspectors usually require multiple reports before they act, plus they are less likely to act on foreigner's behalf - this is apparently what Kyle the thief is counting on, trying to scam Dan out of the $200-odd sum he recieved for "supplies and tools".
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That's a shame. It's also a shame that he used his "friends" with good reputations to stick up for him, and argue his point by proxy.

Pretty Chickensh1t, and it shows what he really thinks of his friends to leave them hanging out to dry by not responding, or clearing this up.:barf::rolleyes:
 
After reading this thread and the one about Dale Reif, it has got me thinking, when you buy from a custom maker, you are taking into account that they will behave properly around customers etc. Same thing with a knife company, but more personal with a custom maker. If the guy turns out to be a dick, your 500 knife can be devalued pretty quickly. Never thought about that before
 
silenthunterstudios & Mike Hull both excellent point!!! He has delivered a major blow to himself more than anyone else. Instant karma just like John Lennon said.
 
RDT said:
He has delivered a major blow to himself more than anyone else. Instant karma just like John Lennon said.
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From the looks of it, Kyle doesn't give a damn. He is happy in his own group and the rest of us can kiss his ass, is what I get from his attitude towards this whole mess. That's fine as long as he realizes that until he makes things right this is not going away. His buddies can tell me to get a life and STFU as often as they want to. It makes no difference to me.

For what it's worth, I don't think that Kyle is getting others to fight his battles for him. I think they are doing it on their own, because they are his friends.
 
Keith, you are right! they do it on their own because they think that is what makes them a strong unit or network(gang) or some bull crap like standing behind liars and thieves and treactionary childish behaviour is tuff :rolleyes: . Or they think that if they deny, deny, deny for him that it will be so. That his innocence will somehow be true if they just keep saying he's incapable of steeling & decieving and that we are a bunch of dicks for saying so. :rolleyes:
 
I hope this is worked out to both parties involved.

Keith or RDT, do you guys ever post on the Corkum or Reif threads? Since some of those customers lost thousands of dollars, they could use your help in BTTT.


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Kit,
I posted once on a Corkum inquiry but the Reif post passed me by. I didn't hear about that til' much later but you are right...I should contribute to them more. Though I have personally warned people who've expressed interest in his work (Corkum) often. Besides, what are you saying exactly? Sometimes we pick our battles. Anyone who knows me knows this is certainly a personal thing for me as well. These grapes may be sour but it's Kyle and those who stand behind him that spoiled them. So they have sown the seeds of "sour grapes". I have several customers who have had bad dealings with Corkum and several potential customers who have expressed interest in his work only to be lead away by me and a few others I know, telling them of his lack of integrity. I have even personally tried to contact him (via email) without reply. As Reif, I will look into it? That one slipped by me.
 
Eichenseer, Corkum, Reif.

1) No one is defending the indefensible Corkum and Reif. Eichenseer is still hiding behind other people's excuses for him.

2) No one is obliged to deal with every crime in the world before being allowed to address any one of them.
 
Kit Carson said:
I hope this is worked out to both parties involved.

Keith or RDT, do you guys ever post on the Corkum or Reif threads? Since some of those customers lost thousands of dollars, they could use your help in BTTT.


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Yes I do Kit.
 
Keith and RDT, thanks. Keep up the good work.

Esav, that #2 almost stumped me, but I think I got it figured out.
 
Kit Carson said:
Keith and RDT, thanks. Keep up the good work.

Esav, that #2 almost stumped me, but I think I got it figured out.
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lost me on that 1, whats hard to read/understand about it??
 
This thread gets brought up every few days. No problem with that. As I've said all along, I hope this is worked out to both parties involved.

The Corkum threads, some as old as 12-05-03, and the Reif thread of 05-02-03 tend to fall by the wayside. Thousands of dollars involved in those two. Members of this forum screwed by them.

I just see it from a different perspective, I guess. That's not at all unusual for me.

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So what you are saying (back handedly) is- why aren't we so pissed about members of our own forum screwing people? And you don't see that as a sly passive defense of the "other place"? As well, it's not that no one is pissed about those guys. Now that I know about Reif I am pissed and so are many others if you read the threads. As for Corkum, EVERYONE has been pissed about that "wad" for a long time. I also believe he was a member at that other place but he never had a "peanut gallery" shout epithets at his detractors or get them banned (to the best of my knowledge). The one Reif post is as long as this one and the Corkum post is just one of several over the last couple years. Every time, people chime in with support for the offended party who have lost their money to that ass. I think it's safe to say that there are many people here who do right by their fellow forumites and they all get mad when they see someone who has obviously been taken advantage of and been as cool as possible about it. So the point implied in your post is moot.
Another reason this post gets brought back every few days is because people know Kyle will hear about it. Whether he cares or not makes no difference, there will be some amount of pressure no matter how small or even subliminal. Why? because we know he's out there, lurking and /or at that other place who share memebers with us so they will tell him. Corkum and Reif on the other hand seem to have fallen of the Earth!? Short of a home visit or some serious money spent on a lawyer to recover funds, it will be hard for those who have been wronged by Reif and Corkum to get their $ back. It will be a little easier with Kyle.
 
Kit Carson said:
This thread gets brought up every few days. No problem with that. As I've said all along, I hope this is worked out to both parties involved.

The Corkum threads, some as old as 12-05-03, and the Reif thread of 05-02-03 tend to fall by the wayside. Thousands of dollars involved in those two. Members of this forum screwed by them.

I just see it from a different perspective, I guess. That's not at all unusual for me.

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So, Kit what is the difference from your perspective?

Corkum and Reif have ripped off forum members to the tune of thousands. Eichenseer has ripped of a forum member for a hundred dollars.

There is no difference. A thief is a thief, no matter how much money is involved.

I think your perspective is clouded, and biased.
 
Code,
My perspective is clear as a bell. I hope this is worked out to both parties involved. Seems like a pretty clear statement. I can't control what people read into it.

Just seems logical that if guys BTTT this thread every couple of days, they could also BTTT the Corkum and Reif threads. Kyle ain't coming back no more than Corkum or Reif. Informing the public is a good thing. Beating a dead horse isn't.

Biased? :rofl:
 
Corkum has never been a member of USN.
The original deal of this thread started here, not on USN.
The USN is not defending anyone in this thread.
Some of the squeakiest wheels are the most hypocritical.
Let me say this very clearly:"I am not defending either side in this situation here."
But those making the most noise should at least have a clean backyard.

Say Rich, I know it's resolved now years later, but you do remember how you stood up your good friend who lent you thousands of dollars to get your knifemaking equipment, dont you? I'm sure you'll have reasons,excuses, and rationals now, but while it was going on for a few years we all remember how upset he was, even to the point of offering a few people a part of it if they wanted to try to collect, but no one wanted to get involved knowing that it was between 2 long time friends. But those long time friends didnt talk for a couple of years because one welshed on when he said he'd pay it back and took an extra year or two. This is not hearsay, I personally witnessed the 2 of you walk past each other as if you never saw each other before.

So get off the high and mighty mister squeaky clean horse you been riding in this thread. It's obvious this thread has only been a vehicle for you to take your pot shots at another forum which has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in this thread.
You're not the only one either. Just went back and checked email logs and I have 3 or 4 from one of the mods here who also loves to take pot shots, with him asking over and over for help to be allowed back to that other forum.

There IS a real problem being discussed in this thread, it is just a shame that a couple want to use to to work their own agendas.

BTW, I hope this is worked out to both parties involved.
 
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