Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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Maestrodawg, my concern is that Dan has been ripped off by Kyle. Everyone else getting together and paying Dan won't change that at all.

By the way, it is nice that you want to help Dan. I would have no problem sending Dan some money if I thought that this was a tremendous financial burden for him. However, I don't believe that to be the case.
 
Dan is NOT my friend. I do not know the guy and giving him my money to help him out in this situation is wrong.

If a friend of mine is in trouble I will give him whatever I can but when an unknown is in need I require sufficient justification before I "contribute".

In this case it will simply mask the symptom but not cure the illness.....
 
maestrodawg1 said:
I thought so Keith. It sounds like you aren't very interested in helping Dan out which was supposedly the reason for you posting on this thread in the first place. I stand by what I say. I'll help out Dan while you continue your broken record.

This sounds to me like all your doing is trying to take the focus away from where it should be and that you are trying to focus it on others. Don't get so self-righteous.
 
wolfmann601 said:
Dan is NOT my friend. I do not know the guy and giving him my money to help him out in this situation is wrong.

If a friend of mine is in trouble I will give him whatever I can but when an unknown is in need I require sufficient justification before I "contribute".

In this case it will simply mask the symptom but not cure the illness.....

Precisely!
 
What did you expect Dave? Did you think he had the balls to say it to your face?

I did not expect less and I am not disappointed. I remember how loud the cries were back then and so do you....:D
 
Somehow I just can't pull myself away. Back to the point of the thread, this is between two men, I for one am glad that I didn't have to learn the hard way. I hope everything is resolved (must be drinking the same stuff Kit is :D).
 
So much emotion over something so simple. Something that did exist between two men only. Yet, somehow we end up in other places led atray (off topic)by only a few. Somehow, we get onto the topics of that other place brought up by even more people. Maybe its because it exists in a larger arena than we think? maybe because it does involve places and it now involves others who are here chiming away to the defense of what? a person who has stolen. The friends of the theif coming to his aid and publicly humiliating the offended party. So is it any wonder why this problem between two men has implicated a larger number of people? People who blindly back a man who openly stole. That is why the disease is spreading. Because it had infected people long before this particular incident. What? are we to start "beef" with friends over misunderstandings and the obvious wrong of supporting scoundrels? Were there ever really friends here at all? I think so, I know so. Still the battle rages on and why? because a few of us want Dan to have his money and goods back and made whole and then we will all shut the f**k up. Doesn't that make sense? I think so. I would gladly shut up about all this if it was to end how it should. Dan with his stuff back.

Just as I invite criticism by opening my mouth in defense of the innocent, so do you when you open it to defend the guilty, if not more so. This is a cut and dry issue. It's plain for anyone with any sense to see. You want it over? then do something about it, go to your buddy and tell him to make it good OR ELSE! Else what? I dunno, you think of some judgement. We are holding up our end of the bargain when we interrupted in defense of Dan and we continue to do so. I for one will make sure this doesn't die until he's made whole. Any challenge to me I assure you will not keep me from this task. In fact you only fuel the fire that you started. It won't go out until Dan has what belongs to him. I hope those of you who feel for Dan will do the same. As for giving Dan money, it is a deflection of the point! But Dan can have my money if he's in dire need of it. That isn't the case though so there's no need for us to pay for someone else's crime. Kyle will pay in some way, whether he cops to the crime and pays up or whether he makes off scot free. He will still pay. Physics has a way of doingthat. A force has been set into pllay here. With what he did he cause a chain reaction and consequently you have some of us who've been offended by Kyle and /or others "over there" who have a grudge and you have those of us who have no grudge but think what Kyle did SUCKS! So sh*t happens and it wouldn have happened if he would have just sent Dan's stuff back. He's gotta pay, somehow, someway, but he has to. There is no alternative. So thsi either stays alive here forever, keeping newbies away from Kyle (Eich) as a potential knifemaker or trader. It will also filter over into court somehow should Dan or one of us find a way to make that work as well. You want us to shut our yaps? then shut us up! shut us up with some action and not the defense of the indefensible!
 
Did someone defend Kyle and defend his refusal to pay Dan?

Maybe I missed it while reading this convoluted thread but I never got the sense anyone was backing up his decision not to pay the money. Kyle has a good job and close friends more than capable of funding this debt so it certainly is not the money.

I am sure Kyle does not count me as one of his friends, and I am surely not a member of his inner circle so I have no clue as to why he won't settle this. My guess is that it's been discussed and consenus reached but..........

The answers, and resolution are Kyle's to bear. But I get the sense Kyle cares very little what the folks here at BFC think of him.

So I guess this will BTTT for eternity until then I go with Kit's hopes that this will resolve favorab ly for both parties.
 
Lifter said:
.......;Just went back and checked email logs and I have 3 or 4 from one of the mods here who also loves to take pot shots, with him asking over and over for help to be allowed back to that other forum.

I did ask for help in getting back on that forum, but that was over two years ago. I was banned for one of the most bogus reasons I've ever heard of.

I no longer want anything to do with that forum, or most of the people involved. There seems to be some integrity issues with some members, not to mention the elitist attitudes.

I'm not taking pot shots; I'm looking for a resolution to this issue. Banning Dan from the other place and not responding to him is not the way to go about resolving it. I have said in the past once Eich responds to Dan's lates query, and provides proof that he shipped Dan the itms he paid for, I'll lock this thread, and let it die. Until then, it will continue.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
This sounds to me like all your doing is trying to take the focus away from where it should be and that you are trying to focus it on others. Don't get so self-righteous.


Keith once again you miss the point. As far as I'm concerned you are the most extremely self righteous person to post on this thread. I didn't say anything about Kyle. I did make an offer to Dan. If he doesn't want it so be it. I never made excuses for Kyle. I only offered a helping hand to make it better for Dan while you seem much more interested in stirring up trouble for the purpose of, well, stirring up trouble. Your problem is you need to have the last word here and nothing else will satisfy you. I absoluetly love how you can crap on people for offering a solution which I guess is another reason for you to whine away without offering snything yourself.

Without any inferences as to Kyle's guilt or innocence, let me ask you a question? Have you ever made a mistake? By everything that you have posted here I would assume not because you take such a high road that only a perfect man could possibly follow....

So basically the only thing that will put your ambulance chasing away is for Kyle to pull down his pants in public while you whip him with lashes. Yeah that's real cool....

On another note I still offer to help resolve the issue.
 
Yes I have made mistakes, but I'm not a thief.

The only thing that will stop me is for Kyle to do the honest thing and send Dan what he is owed. What is so hard about that for you to understand. I have posted it many times.
 
maestrodawg1 said:
As far as I'm concerned you are the most extremely self righteous person to post on this thread. ... Your problem is you need to have the last word here and nothing else will satisfy you.

I for one am extremely grateful to Keith for keeping such cases under the spotlight (so nobody else gets taken by these crooks) - he does a great service to all of us potential customers. What you proposed was a gesture that woudl indeed help Dan recouperate his loss,but would also condone what Kyle has done. The self-righteous attitude that you attribute to Keith is more suited to you - if you really feel compelled to make right for every wrong everywhere, merely remedying the consequences rather than eliminating root causes, you're in for a long (= endless) work. Willyou be contributing for Kyle's next victim too ? And trhe one after that ? And the next one ... and so on.
 
Gentlebeings, this website has a rule against personal attacks. We allow a little slack on this forum, but now members who are not involved in this transaction are posting personal attacks against other members who are not involved in this transaction. That's more slack than we allow. We didn't create this forum because we all wanted to hear your opinions of other people who have posted in this thread; that's not what we're here for.
 
Funny, I have never made any excuses for anyone's poor behavior including Kyle's (see all previous posts). I offered to help Dan and I get called self righteous. If you don't like it fine continue with your name calling. You make your own rep here. As for knowing about a particular buyer seller maker or modifier that's what a search engine is for. I know I used it when i was thinking of buying an Allen Blades Knife (You forgot Keith to bring that one up as well). I was greatful the function was there. Keith you may now have the final word...

Mr. Cougar, Sir, your right and I spologize. I am done here.
 
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