Verpus77 or Bryan Busto 310A Dalene Way, Honolulu HI

He said in a pm that " It would be very easy for me to just say "tough luck" and do nothing in this situation, but I'm not" and thinks its fair to offer half a refund? :confused::confused::confused::eek::eek::eek:
 
Border Shift said:
I feel it is the seller's obligation to see that the buyer gets what he paid for or his money refunded. It seems irresponsible that anyone would ship that knife in an envelope uninsured. Hopefully Verpus77 will man up and make things right.
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I think that (the bolded part) is the accepted "policy" isn't it? I insure anything that's expensive enough that I don't want to make it good out of my pocket. I never ask the buyer to specify if he wants insurance (unless he's really trying to get my price down and I let him decide if he wants to accept the risk of no insurance) and I have never been asked, as the buyer, whether I want insurance.

In this case, did he specifically ask you if you wanted insurance?

If not, then he: Chose the method of shipping, Chose the packaging and did the packing, and Chose not to buy insurance.

I think that makes it pretty clear where the responsibility lies, and who should pay for the loss.

My $.02
 
MVF said:
I think that (the bolded part) is the accepted "policy" isn't it? I insure anything that's expensive enough that I don't want to make it good out of my pocket. I never ask the buyer to specify if he wants insurance (unless he's really trying to get my price down and I let him decide if he wants to accept the risk of no insurance) and I have never been asked, as the buyer, whether I want insurance.

In this case, did he specifically ask you if you wanted insurance?

If not, then he: Chose the method of shipping, Chose the packaging and did the packing, and Chose not to buy insurance.

I think that makes it pretty clear where the responsibility lies, and who should pay for the loss.

My $.02
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No he did not ask if i wanted insurance
 
Like MVF mentioned, if I'm doing the shipping I make sure to put insurance on anything with a value I can't make up for out of my own pocket. In the original post, sometimes sellers put a line in there about additional costs for insurance, which, defers the decision to the buyer. If there was no such disclosure in the original post, then the insurance is on the seller.

Two different situations with two very different outcomes...which one applies to this situation?

ivan51 said:
No he did not ask if i wanted insurance
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ETA: Answered my question before it was asked :). In this case, the seller should issue a refund for the value of the knife the the buyer...no doubt about it. Seems to me he made a mistake he'll never make again. What's an extra $3 in the grand scheme of things?
 
here is the sellers post http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=769477

verpus77 said:
$420 - ZTBME: USER! Sage coating with Tan canvas micarta handles. "Raptor Scale" pattern on the micarta, which is not common, from what I've seen (most are "Quilted") Includes the kydex sheath I've made for it as well as a cordura one.

$370 - Model T Street: New, unused as from Company Store. Black/Black. No sheath.

$260 - Game Warden. Slight patina from storage, but never used or carried. Satin with Desert Sand G-10. No sheath.


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There is absolutely no justifiable reason for shipping a fixed blade knife of that size and weight in that envelope, insured or not.

He owes you a full refund period.
 
The other day, I shipped a NMFBM (3x bigger&3x$ then the OP's) in a few DVD sized bubble mailers that I taped together. I was sure to wrap it and tape it very well, thats the key(have also used the same mailer as verpus w/ similar blades). The buyer commented on the bullet proof shipping in my + feedback. I wouldnt say its unacceptable to use that mailer, as long as you use sense when packaging it (lotsa wrap and tape)

However, regardless of how confident I am of my packaging abilities, I almost always Insure just to cover my own. Have read too many horror stories to risk it.
 
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I think a key point someone raised here is that even if it had been insured, USPS would not have paid the claim because of the inadequate packaging.

I prefer the Prio box to any envelope, and I stuff it with so much packing that I can shake it hard, up, down, and sideways, and nothing moves inside. Isn't the money worth a few extra minutes of packaging time?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I prefer the Prio box to any envelope, and I stuff it with so much packing that I can shake it hard, up, down, and sideways, and nothing moves inside. Isn't the money worth a few extra minutes of packaging time?
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I always stuff my Prio boxes with tons of kroger bags and Duct Tape every corner and seal,,as you said Esav, Its definately worth the extra effort to ensure safe packaging.I know I would want the same done for me.
 
i think legally your only recourse is to file a small claims lawsuit in civil court.

criminally, it would have to be established he intentionally shipped the package in that manner to defraud you, which could be a theft. or that he shipped you an empty and ripped package in order to defraud.

civilly, i believe you would simply have to prove negligence in his shipping method, which seems fairly obvious.
 
Seems odd to use an envelope in the first place, does it have a weight listed on the package to confirm its SENT weight ?.
 
? Have you contacted the Shipping Post Office and the Recieving Post Office and asked it they found a knife?

If it fell out during processing it might be there? If you describe it they might realize it's yours?


Just a thought. There's a chance the knife dropped out and they don't know who owns it.
 
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