Very bad!paulb63

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RevDevil said:
Well, he had no choice, he is the only one that can modify iTrader feedback marks. He was dragged into it more accurately due to the request for feedback removal by the seller. Which again brings me to the point I try and remind people of, read the Exchange rules. Everything you need to know along with a pinch of common sense is available to make every transaction a good one. Having a meltdown is easy, and some people just love to have drama and attention, they want to be at the center of it all. It backfires more often than not, here is a classic example.

With regards to the box and papers, the buyer should ask. It is in the rules, (sorry Craytab)
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=699&a=98

Buyers
1. Be 100% sure that you can financially afford to purchase the item before offering to do so. If you cannot commit 100% to buying the item, then move along. Be responsible and use your best judgement. Do not create any undue burden on people trying to sell stuff.
2. Ask any questions needed before the deal is agreed upon, make sure you want the item being sold and that the price is affordable to you.


WIth respect to the seller:

Selling:
4. When describing your items, be honest and provide an accurate & detailed description of the item. Don't forget to mention defects, blemishes, new, used, or other problems. When in doubt, be pessimistic with your descriptions. If you have a problem being honest, upfront, and are unable to honor your word then you do not belong here.
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No apologies needed. Ask questions before you buy. I said that.
 
KELAMA said:
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I totally agree with you, mqqn.

FWIW: When I post a knife for sale, there is zero ambiguity, or anything left in question. Had I purchased the seller's Spyderco PM 2, I would've followed up with a PM and made darn sure the original box and papers were included in the sale, if it were that important to me. Whenever I buy a knife with vague details (usually fit and finish related or lack of pictures), I'll follow up a PM with questions. It's really not that difficult to have a drama free transaction here on this forum...provided you put forth a little effort.
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Pretty straight forward for the buyer for the opportunity to be CRYSTAL CLEAR of the sale and things that "DO" and "DO NOT" come with knife........
 
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retired01 said:
i bought from him on 04-03-2017 a ParaMilitary2 cpm154/s90v,it's sold to me as complete,this means the right box and the sprint run paper.and to my (horrible) surprise i found when it arrived a mint knife (honest) in a dlc cts-xhp box/paper!,i mailed him (removed name) and after a lot of excuses no original box/paper!now he told me to send the knife back and i will get a refund,yeah right,i have to trust a man who's lying to me in the first place (about the complete set which is NOT a complete set!!) and trust he refunds me my $545,fellow BF members,i'm seeking advice!i'm not going to send the knife first and then wait for my money,can i go via Paypal (bought the knife G & S)?
hope to get some advice,because this is a first for me.but,up untill this is solved,i would suggest to not buy anything from him!
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retired01 said:
like i said before,i ASKED "the seller"in my second mail if knife box and paper were correct,his reply was "yes,knife mint (true!),box and paper original".at arrival i was so pissed,i paid a lot of money (no problem if all was good!) for an original set as i also explained him i'm not a USER i'm a collector.if he would have said to me knife good,not original box paper i would not have bought it!
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No, you didn't. All you said is that it was sold to you "as complete".

See what happens when you post and run? If you had stayed interactive throughout the thread that YOU posted seeking advice and not acted impulsively all the facts could have been laid on the table and come to a reasonable conclusion.

And if you would have stayed, you would have learned that PayPal would have told you to send the knife first.
 
NonDairy said:
I usually just creep here, but the OP put the seller on blast and never came back in HIS post to reply? I remember his last two temper tantrums and I seem to recall they both went down this same road. He will be my first ignore and there are a few that rub me the wrong way.
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retired01 , I just read your email to me - you asked me if it was "complete with box and papers " , and I said yes . It was my fault that I did not check to make sure they were correct . I agreed that I most likely made a MISTAKE and looked as soon as I got home for the correct box/paperwork !
Regarless - after you let me know you were not happy with your purchase , I did the ONLY thing I could and offered you a FULL REFUND + PLUS YOUR SHIPPING !!!!

THE VERY SAME DAY !!!- which is more than a lot of people probably would have done !

Once you found out that you were to send the knife back to me first and THEN get your refund , you blew up started bashing me on this forum , and then to put the cherry on the cake - instead of getting your FULL refund , you go and sell the knife for $140 less !!!!

I don't think any one can figure that one out !!!!

You are your own worst enemy .
 
So, just out of morbid curiosity:

How much time (in general) do moderators / Spark generally spend on a single case/issue like this one? Like investigating the matter and performing all kinds of different administrative actions?
 
Quote Originally Posted by Gastonknife View Post
Now I know this won't happen, but the icing on the cake here would be for the seller (paul) to buy it back from him for the 400 and make a nice profit. Lol.

Jamesh Bond said:
Wow. . . . .
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^ Thanks for quoting this, JB! I don't know how I missed this, but I did...this is one of GK's all-time classic posts! :D



PAULB63 said:
retired01 , I just read your email to me - you asked me if it was "complete with box and papers " , and I said yes . It was my fault that I did not check to make sure they were correct . I agreed that I most likely made a MISTAKE and looked as soon as I got home for the correct box/paperwork !
Regarless - after you let me know you were not happy with your purchase , I did the ONLY thing I could and offered you a FULL REFUND + PLUS YOUR SHIPPING !!!!

THE VERY SAME DAY !!!- which is more than a lot of people probably would have done !

Once you found out that you were to send the knife back to me first and THEN get your refund , you blew up started bashing me on this forum , and then to put the cherry on the cake - instead of getting your FULL refund , you go and sell the knife for $140 less !!!!

I don't think any one can figure that one out !!!!

You are your own worst enemy .
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Mistake or not, Paul- nothing, can justify Retired01's caustic behavior.

Lodd said:
So, just out of morbid curiosity:

How much time (in general) do moderators / Spark generally spend on a single case/issue like this one? Like investigating the matter and performing all kinds of different administrative actions?
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Hours spent working on this case:
Spark: 4.5 hour OT (it's a weekend).
RevDevil: 6 hours (Non-OT) RD has worked every Saturday for the past 5 years. <Thanks RD! :thumbup:

When you stop to think how much wasted, un-recoupable time they've had to unnecessarily spend on this case; the punishment they dish out will hopefully make other member's think twice before behaving in this manner in the future.
 
Retired01's caustic behavior.

For my own part I played in assuming that part on seller .I apologize
Well put John.. Retired01's caustic behavior.
Kudos to you Paul for the stepping up ASAP and TRYING to make things right..

Agreed you stepped up and admitted your mistake
By doing so you offered BUYER a Full unconditional refund?
He passed or blew you off and went trigger happy to GB&U?

Then I inturn see the knife up for sale and taking a huge $ loss and a PP claim
Again..Something in this isnt adding up.. Other than buyer inappropriately came here
slammed seller and left NEG feedback?? And potentially trying to double dip with PayPal??:confused:

This behavior by especially an ADULT simply amazes me.
Its like the kid didnt get his way..so he threw himself on the floor
and blew up.. But In GB&U and in words??

The MODS spend THEIR Time..Remember "THEY VOLUNTEER" to police
simple childlike crap like this.. Really...Let them enjoy OUR passion for knives and such
without having to babysit?????

(( Thank you ALL MODERATORS for helping this place stay safe))


Still scratching my head on this one:blue:
 
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retired01 said:
like i said before,i ASKED "the seller"in my second mail if knife box and paper were correct,his reply was "yes,knife mint (true!),box and paper original".at arrival i was so pissed,i paid a lot of money (no problem if all was good!) for an original set as i also explained him i'm not a USER i'm a collector.if he would have said to me knife good,not original box paper i would not have bought it!
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You reselling the knife at a pretty large loss makes the last line above and the entire transaction a shame.
Why didn't you return it? Were you worried the seller would make off with the knife and your money? It's just weird taking a $140 hit for no reason.
You should have returned that PM2.
 
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If the OP had sent the knife back for a refund and not received the refund, could he then file a PP claim or does the process have to go through PP from the start. I would think you could file the claim as long as you had proof of delivery, but not positive.
of course purchase PP G&S
 
retired01 said:
like i said before,i ASKED "the seller"in my second mail if knife box and paper were correct,his reply was "yes,knife mint (true!),box and paper original".at arrival i was so pissed,i paid a lot of money (no problem if all was good!) for an original set as i also explained him i'm not a USER i'm a collector.if he would have said to me knife good,not original box paper i would not have bought it!
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So why didn't you send it back for a refund?
 
Had OP mentioned (and preferably posted-with the real names redacted) the email exchange wherein he specifically asked about the box and papers, and was told they were included, that would have resolved one important piece of this. The seller screwed up, but offered to do exactly the right thing once he knew that. The OP, on the other hand, has done everything wrong since that same point in time. OP is simply not rational.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Had OP mentioned (and preferably posted-with the real names redacted) the email exchange wherein he specifically asked about the box and papers, and was told they were included, that would have resolved one important piece of this. The seller screwed up, but offered to do exactly the right thing once he knew that. The OP, on the other hand, has done everything wrong since that same point in time. OP is simply not rational.
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He was never able to do that one simple thing HD.......that question was never asked.
Without knowing about the histrionics he has thrown in the past, multiple times, this thread would have been very different.
OP has a very short fuse and makes shit up in his head. Once he feels he's been wronged, the flood gates open.
Extremely immature reaction, every time.
Joe
 
Lodd said:
So, just out of morbid curiosity:

How much time (in general) do moderators / Spark generally spend on a single case/issue like this one? Like investigating the matter and performing all kinds of different administrative actions?
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Depends on how patient we are feeling. Seriously. If it's a new guy that guy himself burned, I've gone well out of my way to make sure they get their money or item back. If it is someone that is a perpetual troublemaker or instigator, we tend to act quickly. It also depends on the moderator that picks up that specific thread and whether or not they decide to run with it.

I stopped working 6 days a week a couple years back. It was literally cutting into my time for other things. But it lasted for about a total 6.5 years.

At this point, Retired01 needs to return the knife and get refunded, or otherwise communicate with paulb to come to a conclusion. This is getting old and doesn't deserve to be more than a page long thread.
 
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^^^
Thanks for the time you and the other moderators put into this forum. I am sure at times it feels more like babysitting then moderating, but you all seem to take it in stride.
 
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