Very bad!paulb63

[Gizmoman]

This is priceless............Thinking the Retired feller needs to keep from overloading things and lick his wounds..

Of course a MOD will step in and set things straight..Your actions over and over for not being satisfied
speaks to all who read this....:thumbdn:

 

[palonej]

How anyone can not see they are making an ass of themselves is beyond me.
How freakin hard can it be for someone to say......sorry, my bad, instead of digging the hole deeper and deeper??
This guy is quite deep at this point and shows no signs of trying to climb out of the hole.

 

[RevDevil]

Well, Spark has been made ware of this. It's not going to end well.

 

[mqqn]

This all seems so unnecessary.

The seller messed up on the sale, and since it is a collectible, I can see the buyer wanting to have the correct box for such a rare knife.

However, seems like an easy thing to say "Seller, you sent the knife in the wrong box, if you can't make that right, let us just reverse the deal and go our separate ways."

Instead a hissy is pitched by the buyer, and he then falls on his own sword to the tune of $150 and represents himself as a martyr for doing so.

I suppose there are always going to be a few turds in the sandbox; I don't envy the mods and Spark their jobs.

best

mqqn

 

[craytab]

This all seems so unnecessary.

The seller messed up on the sale, and since it is a collectible, I can see the buyer wanting to have the correct box for such a rare knife.

The original ad said nothing about box and papers. Not sure what went on behind the scenes and the buyer is incapable of providing evidence that a box and papers were part of the deal. That part is Moot for me. The buyer has shown over and over again that he cannot follow simple instructions or understand basic concepts. It would not surprise me if he screwed this part up too; in assuming box and papers were part of the deal.

 

[palonej]

Yup! No mention in sales thread of box and papers. Buyer NEVER asked about it before purchasing either.
Buyer brought this to seller's attention and the seller immediately offered return shipping, a full refund and an apology.......went to hell in a hand basket after that.

 

[Gizmoman]

I feel the buyer dug his hole. Whether Paul had made a honest mistake or not!?
If Seller did reach out to Buyer with a cordial Refund Offer Why Im asking myself
Is the buyer Pitching a 12 year old kid hissy fit??

This sellers only keeps instilling in me to read/check feedback before the " $$$ " gets the
better of you. Just for a quick sale!? These type of threads can be avoided if proper
methods are used.. Get a Moderator Involved This is why they are hear folks.

We are all guilty of it from moment to moment
Money speaks in volumes to our habit we have

Good luck with a resolve after this carnage that has been left behind
And all from a person not giving one a the benefit of a mistake-Apologize and reverse
deal was all that was needed..

I have read and reread post..NO mention of boxes?

 

[KELAMA]

From the thread asking for the Negative Feedback to be removed: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1478804-Spark-unwarranted

^ Thank you for posting this link, BD- I hadn't seen it.

It's not going to end well.

^ If RD doesn't think it's going to end well...it's not going to end well! :devilish:

This all seems so unnecessary.

The seller messed up on the sale, and since it is a collectible, I can see the buyer wanting to have the correct box for such a rare knife.

However, seems like an easy thing to say "Seller, you sent the knife in the wrong box, if you can't make that right, let us just reverse the deal and go our separate ways."

Instead a hissy is pitched by the buyer, and he then falls on his own sword to the tune of $150 and represents himself as a martyr for doing so.

I don't envy the mods and Spark their jobs.

best

mqqn

^ As always- spot on, mqqn! :thumbup

This transaction did, have the potential to be such a quick, easy fix.

After reading so many of the OP's meltdowns/issues on the exchange, what I find most ironic...

is the fact that the OP, is the one with a sterling 100% feedback rating.

With that stated (and not meaning to get too political here), but perhaps the recent election results in the Netherlands, has put the OP in a foul mood?

 

[Gizmoman]

^ Thank you for posting this link, BD- I hadn't seen it.



^ If RD doesn't think it's going to end well...it's not going to end well! :devilish:



^ As always- spot on, mqqn! :thumbup

This transaction did, have the potential to be such a quick, easy fix.

After reading so many of the OP's meltdowns/issues on the exchange, what I find most ironic...

is the fact that the OP, is the one with a sterling 100% feedback rating.

With that stated (and not meaning to get too political here), but perhaps the recent election results in the Netherlands, has put the OP in a foul mood?

So true John.. A real head scratcher???

 

[Gizmoman]

Well, Spark has been made ware of this. It's not going to end well.

""Someone has SOME SPLAINING to do Lucy???!!""
......Da Spark Man is Involved......

By no means needed to go this far...None

 

[Quiet]

Spark is the man, about all I can say about that. I've seen him get irritated at situations like this in the past, and every time I think to myself "Now, here's a guy who actually cares about this community he's built and the people in it." My reasoning being, if he didn't care, he wouldn't bother getting involved. I already know our mods care. I'm just always glad to see that sentiment goes all the way to the top. :thumbup:

I'm looking forward to retired-01 being retired from this community.

 

[craytab]

^ As always- spot on, mqqn! :thumbup

Nope. Not spot on. The whole point of this thread is the box and papers. The ad never said anything about those being included. Neither party has shown evidence of there inclusion or not in the deal. The only evidence we have (the ad) and the idiotic irrationality of retired01 leads me to believe there was no deal for the box. But it is all speculation with out more to go on.

 

[Gizmoman]

Patience is a thing not all people have.
Assuming we all are guilty of..

But leaving NEG feedback with a trigger happy finger and potentially
having ones REP as a buyer hindered over a
petty beef about boxes..

The buyer is responsible
for the questions..NOT the seller before a deal goes
down.

Im out....Hoping Spark has a resolution and Thank You to
all the MODs that helped out...We appreciate you all.:thumbup:

 

[mqqn]

Nope. Not spot on. The whole point of this thread is the box and papers. The ad never said anything about those being included. Neither party has shown evidence of there inclusion or not in the deal. The only evidence we have (the ad) and the idiotic irrationality of retired01 leads me to believe there was no deal for the box. But it is all speculation with out more to go on.

The whole point of the thread is that the OP was unhappy with his purchase and handled it poorly, irrespective of the reason for his dissatisfaction.

The box situation is just the buyer's reason for dissatisfaction, and he is perfectly within his rights to be unhappy about that.

It has been a long-standing credo here at BF, that the transaction is not complete until both parties are happy. The buyer was not happy in this transaction.

How the buyer handled the situation is the cause of all of this heartburn.

I would have also handled the selling differently, disclosing that the item was not to include it's original packaging, but in this case, we will never know how the seller would have responded to a rational and gentlemanly notification that the buyer was not satisfied with the deal.

best

mqqn

 

[craytab]

The whole point of the thread is that the OP was unhappy with his purchase and handled it poorly, irrespective of the reason for his dissatisfaction.

The box situation is just the buyer's reason for dissatisfaction, and he is perfectly within his rights to be unhappy about that.

It has been a long-standing credo here at BF, that the transaction is not complete until both parties are happy. The buyer was not happy in this transaction.

How the buyer handled the situation is the cause of all of this heartburn.

I would have also handled the selling differently, disclosing that the item was not to include it's original packaging, but in this case, we will never know how the seller would have responded to a rational and gentlemanly notification that the buyer was not satisfied with the deal.

best

mqqn

Agreed that the buyer is at fault for acting like a child. However, to say the seller was wrong in not sending the correct box is wrong. He never said it was part of the deal unless you have more information than the rest of us. That part has no evidence other than the ad and the fact that the buyer is an irrationally maniacal pest so there is a good chance he is not being truthful.

You said the seller screwed up by not sending the box with no evidence the box was part of the deal. Why did the op start this thread?

A box that was never in the deal as far as anything I can tell. Another thing that is common knowledge around here is ask your questions before you buy. Buyer has not shown he did that and nor does the ad indicate the box is included. And as far as I can tell the seller went above and beyond to rectify the problem so the if the buyer is not happy thing is null too.

Not sure why this is a point of contention. Until or if there is more evidence I'm inclined to side with the seller on the origination of this issue.

 

[KELAMA]

The whole point of the thread is that the OP was unhappy with his purchase and handled it poorly, irrespective of the reason for his dissatisfaction.

The box situation is just the buyer's reason for dissatisfaction, and he is perfectly within his rights to be unhappy about that.

It has been a long-standing credo here at BF, that the transaction is not complete until both parties are happy. The buyer was not happy in this transaction.

How the buyer handled the situation is the cause of all of this heartburn.

I would have also handled the selling differently, disclosing that the item was not to include it's original packaging, but in this case, we will never know how the seller would have responded to a rational and gentlemanly notification that the buyer was not satisfied with the deal.

best

mqqn

^ +1
I totally agree with you, mqqn.

FWIW: When I post a knife for sale, there is zero ambiguity, or anything left in question. Had I purchased the seller's Spyderco PM 2, I would've followed up with a PM and made darn sure the original box and papers were included in the sale, if it were that important to me. Whenever I buy a knife with vague details (usually fit and finish related or lack of pictures), I'll follow up a PM with questions. It's really not that difficult to have a drama free transaction here on this forum...provided you put forth a little effort.

 

[bonky]

^ +1
I totally agree with you, mqqn.

FWIW: When I post a knife for sale, there is zero ambiguity, or anything left in question. Had I purchased the seller's Spyderco PM 2, I would've followed up with a PM and made darn sure the original box and papers were included in the sale, if it were that important to me. Whenever I buy a knife with vague details (usually fit and finish related or lack of pictures), I'll follow up a PM with questions. It's really not that difficult to have a drama free transaction here on this forum...provided you put forth a little effort.

I disagree. Those of us who took the time to actually read the entire OP know that he was offered a full refund, including shipping costs.

I think we can conclude that the seller would have offered the same to a polite and reasonable buyer, considering that he offered this to one who was not.

-Russell-

 

[RevDevil]

Spark is the man, about all I can say about that. I've seen him get irritated at situations like this in the past, and every time I think to myself "Now, here's a guy who actually cares about this community he's built and the people in it." My reasoning being, if he didn't care, he wouldn't bother getting involved. I already know our mods care. I'm just always glad to see that sentiment goes all the way to the top. :thumbup:

I'm looking forward to retired-01 being retired from this community.

Well, he had no choice, he is the only one that can modify iTrader feedback marks. He was dragged into it more accurately due to the request for feedback removal by the seller. Which again brings me to the point I try and remind people of, read the Exchange rules. Everything you need to know along with a pinch of common sense is available to make every transaction a good one. Having a meltdown is easy, and some people just love to have drama and attention, they want to be at the center of it all. It backfires more often than not, here is a classic example.

With regards to the box and papers, the buyer should ask. It is in the rules, (sorry Craytab)
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=699&a=98

Buyers
1. Be 100% sure that you can financially afford to purchase the item before offering to do so. If you cannot commit 100% to buying the item, then move along. Be responsible and use your best judgement. Do not create any undue burden on people trying to sell stuff.
2. Ask any questions needed before the deal is agreed upon, make sure you want the item being sold and that the price is affordable to you.


WIth respect to the seller:

Selling:
4. When describing your items, be honest and provide an accurate & detailed description of the item. Don't forget to mention defects, blemishes, new, used, or other problems. When in doubt, be pessimistic with your descriptions. If you have a problem being honest, upfront, and are unable to honor your word then you do not belong here.

 

[on_the_edge]

Charlie, one other thing that I think folks sometimes forget is that they can ask here before they act. They don't have to know every answer to every question because between the mods and the members, people can ask questions about transaction protocols, the rules, what is permissible, what isn't etc., etc. People may not always necessarily agree about something, but asking before you act can sure give one a good idea of what might be acceptable. A healthy dose of humility helps too.

 

[retired01]

like i said before,i ASKED "the seller"in my second mail if knife box and paper were correct,his reply was "yes,knife mint (true!),box and paper original".at arrival i was so pissed,i paid a lot of money (no problem if all was good!) for an original set as i also explained him i'm not a USER i'm a collector.if he would have said to me knife good,not original box paper i would not have bought it!