WARNING Black Starr knives scam !!!!

[Rhinoknives1]

That discoloration/Rust? didn't happen from sitting in a box for two days.
That is not acceptable on a new custom knife.

 

[darthrambo]

That discoloration/Rust? didn't happen from sitting in a box for two days.
That is not acceptable on a new custom knife.

Thank you thats what i thought but I'm glad to hear that from a professional knife maker

 

[thedemonbeast]

Hello,

I am not a knife maker but a knife collector/ buyer. But I buy knives that can actually be used, not paper weight wall hangers that are only good for decorating offices. But even I agree with that. You should of Never received a new custom made FB knife in that shape, and no, it did Not rust like that just from sitting in a box for 2 days.

My take on it is that you were sent a secondary knife that was probably returned by a customer for flaws, either in the steel or cosmetically, and it had set up and wasn't sellable. My take is that it was sent in a hurry to you, to either bide some time and prevent a court lawsuit, or was sent maliciously. Either way, I wouldn't personally stand for it. I've bought knives for less than what you paid that was in better shape and that looked better than what you received. Send it back and proceed with your complaint. I bought a handmade First Blood knife a while back from a diff maker than BSK. And even though mine was made back in 2002, it was kept in MINT condition and never used, and it looked as though the guy just made it. And it still looks that way, though I will actually Use the knife.

In my opinion, knives should be made to be used, not to lat up in a shelf or collect dust. That way, when you use the knife made by a knife maker, how it performs and you telling others all about iuts performance, helps that maker's business excel. Even if you just use it hardcore at least once and then store it, at least you have used it and see firsthand that you did get your money's worth. And then you can tell others all about it. Like I said, I think most knife makers will Encourage you to use their knives. They want their hard work known so their business can grow.

 

[SENGVIN]

Well as a collector u know that using the knife even one time will cost u a lot of money (If it is that kind of knife). As a buyer u probably don't know that

 

[thedemonbeast]

Well as a collector u know that using the knife even one time will cost u a lot of money (If it is that kind of knife). As a buyer u probably don't know that

Hello,

Ohh yeah, I knew that. I know that when you buy a knife, using it just once turns it from a Collector's knife into just a User knife, and the value decreases tramatically. But I buy my knives with No plans whatsoever to resell them or get rid of them, so I am not worried about using them. But now, I might use them in a trade against a different knife or against a knife that was made and is willing to take trades as part of payment. But believe me, that is few and far between, LOL!

I am posting Photobucket link to my handmade First Blood knife. The sheath was designed by me and made by mu good friend who is a sheath maker, Bob Schrap. Bob is local and lives just a few miles from me. he is also the president of our local knife club. I say I designed the sheath but it is more of I had the idea of what Iw anted it to be like, passed my ideas on to Bob, and he made it. So I guess it is a collaboration between Bob and I. But I give him full credit for making such an awesome sheath. It is, after all, his hard work that made it happen!!

http://s816.photobucket.com/user/br...SchrapHandmadeSheathPic1_zps5c1d780d.jpg.html

Anyway, there it is. Bob is now in the process of making me a 2nd sheath for my First Blood knife. I requested him to make me a 2nd one which will look a bit different from this first one, but still will have similarities. Now that I've learned ho to use Photobucket and also can Finally post pic links here, I will post pics of other knives at another time. But when I bought this knife, this is just how it came to me, and not all rusted like the one darthrambo received. Anyway, here it is.

 

[thedemonbeast]

Here is my latest prestigious handmade knife. It is the very first one in a series of ACK handmade Sly II style knives. The blade and guard is sandblasted 440C steel. The handle is a knurled 300 series stainless steel handle. The endcap/Pommel is T6 aluminum handle with a compass inside of it. The blade length is 9 3/8ths inches long. One very well made knife that Demands respect, LOL. Anyway, pls see link below.

http://s816.photobucket.com/user/br...yII1stOnePic1_zps234a5a82.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

 

[darthrambo]

I am knifemaker Andrew Clifford...

I'm tired of my name being put in the same sentence as "Black Star Knives", or "Brit G.". I don't consider the guy, either negatively or positively...I just don't consider him. I don't wish him any ill wil, nor do I wish him good luck. This thread was brought to my attention by another BF member. I think I registered before, not sure, but I no longer care to get on forums due to all the bashing that happens-whether true or not. I choose not to care either way. I don't have the time to live online, but I had to register, get on to post this.....

I had a negative situation between BSK and a customer, which was nothing more than a mix up over a misidentified knife on eBay, of all places. During the situation accusations were made that were untrue. The very same accusations being made against Britt here. He doesn't seem to keep that the parts from his knives are made elsewhere, afterall he told/blamed the other people for the parts not being ready, from what I gather. If his buyers are aware that he is not making the parts, being forthright about not being the one who makes all the parts, then there should be no issues on how the knives are made. As a knifemaker a good chunk of us have gone through something close with a disgruntled buyer at some point. Not delivering in a timely manner can cause issues for anyone. I'm not sticking up for Britt, he can do that on his own. I'm not discounting the buyers experience, that is unfortunate. If you are unhappy then ASK for a refund, plain and simple. If he refuses then what you are saying here is just.

Without getting into this, injecting any more of my opinion..."TheDemonBeast" I appreciate the praises, but I want my name out of any future posts in regards to FB knives, Britt G. or BSK! Every time my name is mentioned in the same sentence, situation I hear negativity through the grapevine. I do this knifemaking because I enjoy it, NOT to be in a perpetual pi$$ing contest with other makers, makers mentioned on/in this thread. Some of which I know like Ray Matton, whom also is a great knifemaker that does not want to be known for ONLY producing, making First Blood style knives. He makes many other styles, designs of his just as myself. I do not make exact "replicas", copies of other knifemakers with the exception of similar knives of makers no longer making theirs. And perhaps I should rethink using names, words that explain them as so....

I do hope DarthRambo gets his refund. It is my opinion that rust shouldn't form on a blade in two days UNLESS poorly tempered/heat treated and as mentioned above, stewing in water. NEVER should a knife be sent out in that condition to begin with. I find it surprising that BSK would do that. Pictures would speak a thousand words as to the truth for those that are reading this thread. Claims such as this can damage a makers reputation. It's unfortunate that Britt has been banned on BF and cannot stick up for himself here.

Good luck-

-Andrew Clifford

by the way mr Clifford I love your knives and would have gotten one of yours if I had enough money in fact im bidding on one of your knives right now on ebay even though I know it will go for more than I can afford

 

[thedemonbeast]

by the way mr Clifford I love your knives and would have gotten one of yours if I had enough money in fact im bidding on one of your knives right now on ebay even though I know it will go for more than I can afford

Hello,

Man, you are sure on the right track there with you wanting and bidding on an Andrew Clifford knife. I own 5 of them so far and everyone of them are superbly made. Not taking anything at all away from other knife makers. In fact, there are many of them whose knives I love, and will hopefully own a few of them in due time.


Andy is, in my opinion, one of the best knife makers of this day and age. I really love each and everyone of the knives I have that are made by him. He truly deserves the good name and record that his knife making work has brought to him.

And there are so many other outstanding knife makers out there. Martin Knives for example. Newt Martin makes a First Blood style knife and calls it the MCE 2, and I think they even have one called MCE 3 but not sure. Don't quote me on that. Ray Matton is unarguably the best First Blood Tribute Knife knife maker I have ever seen. However, he also designs and makes his own knife ideas too. You'd be amazed at his work. I just learned of Greg Wall and am planning to get a knife made by him in the coming few weeks.

And there are just so many others as well. And I am sure there are great knife makers that are members here on this site. However, being still sortof new here, I don't know hardly anyone. And today, I just learned that there is an awesome high end knife maker in my family. I am originally from Alabama, raised in Louisiana and around Arkansas. So it would only make sense that there is a knife maker in our family. And I am sure that if I checked and researched, I'd find out quite a few more. I cannot wait to learn more about this long lost first cousin of mine. Hmmm, maybe I can Use my being a blood relative concept, and get him to make me several knives just out of being related along, LOL!! But nahhh, that dog would Not hunt!! Besides, that is not what I am about.

Anyway, I kind of got off track here. But sure, you are definitely on the right track with Andrew Clifford knife my friend! You definitely are! Just check around. As I said, you will find many other great knife makers out there, and who are very reasonable with their prices. And also who prides themselves on their knife making skill and work, so much that you never have to worry about receiving a so-called brand newly made knife that coated with rust, LOL! I really feel for you buddy....but that, what you received, is just too funny...and sad too! I wish you nothing but best of luck with getting your money back for that lackluster FB knife....and then some!!

 

[Rez_Dawg]

Well as a collector u know that using the knife even one time will cost u a lot of money (If it is that kind of knife). As a buyer u probably don't know that

That may be true for custom some makers' knives, but i've seen knives I have made sell used on eBay for well more than when I sold them. Not just my knives, either. I've seen other makers' knives sell through various channels for much more and visibly used. It depends on the knife, buyer that "has" to have it...used or not. There is a lot of the "drive the new car off the lot and it loses %40 value" type of thinking, and while that may be the case in new/used cars it's not always the case in other realms of interest. Production knives? Most certainly that can be the case, but again not always. It just depends on the knife, maker/manufacture...and of course the condition, amount of use would be a factor. But knives that have been used as they are meant to and not abused can definitely rise in value even after having been used.

 

[Rez_Dawg]

Here is my latest prestigious handmade knife. It is the very first one in a series of ACK handmade Sly II style knives. The blade and guard is sandblasted 440C steel. The handle is a knurled 300 series stainless steel handle. The endcap/Pommel is T6 aluminum handle with a compass inside of it. The blade length is 9 3/8ths inches long. One very well made knife that Demands respect, LOL. Anyway, pls see link below.

http://s816.photobucket.com/user/br...yII1stOnePic1_zps234a5a82.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

That's worth embedding FOR YOU.....


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The VERY first one! I'm pretty sure I know who you are TheDemonBeast! I guarantee if he were to resell this knife it would sell for as much or more than what you paid. Not trying to toot my own horn, but I have orders/customer currently waiting for theirs as we speak.

 

[Rez_Dawg]

by the way mr Clifford I love your knives and would have gotten one of yours if I had enough money in fact im bidding on one of your knives right now on ebay even though I know it will go for more than I can afford

I apologize on the prices, but these knives do require time, money to make. I also make the sheaths. Though you are unhappy with your BSK. I'm sure it's still %100 functional/useable. It is unfortunate. If a refund is not an option you can always resell it. If you need a sandblasting job my shop offers it. You can contact us through our website. Perhaps you can contact Harry Savage for a sheath and post the knife on ebay to gain back the money spent. ?? Regardless of what is said about BSK/Britt he has loyal buyers/customers who will not care what is said here about his work. I'm sure you can find a buyer equal to the amount you paid, will pay to get it sale ready. Just an idea. Vince Peloza's Cold steel Trail Master sheath will fit your knife. While it is different from the Rambo style sheaths Peloza's work makes any knife look great and finishes off a combo nicely.

I feel this thread is beat to a pulp and I don't want to "advertise" on it. Maybe I got a little caught up.....I'm done. Now to start my work day. I doubt I get on here this much ever again. I enjoyed the few threads I read. Great job Bladeforums.com !

 

[darthrambo]

or ill just list it on ebay how it is and explain this is how I received my black starr knife after waiting 8 times as long

 

[darthrambo]

maybe you haven't seen bsk knives resale value about six months ago I picked up a polished one he made with a custom sheath plus a extra buttcap which he charges 60 extra for under 400 dollars

 

[darthrambo]

that one depreciated over 200 dollars and nothing at all was wrong with it. it was never used and in better shape then how I received mine from britt

 

[thedemonbeast]

Hello,

Thanks much Rez_Dawg!! Was very nice of you. I just joined Photobucket yesterday in efforts to see the pics of darthrambo's BSK knife and to see if his pics warrants his written claim against BSK...From what I have seen, they do. Still though, I don't want to say anything good or bad about Britt here. I had my drama run-in with him way awhile back which left a very nasty taste in my mouth about him. But that is personal and not really to be aired on a public forum. I can say, however, that you are right....it is unfortunate that he has been banned from this forum and cannot defend himself. Like him or hate him though, he does put together some really nice knives. It is just unfortunate that this issue is happening.

But neither here nor there though. Bottom line for me is I have my personal favorite knife maker and sheath maker. And those for me are Andrew Clifford and Bob Schrap. Again, not taking a thing awayf rom any other awesome knife maker, and when I own other maker's work like I own Andy's and Bob's, then I might cam represent and vouch for them to someone. But even so, even at that, my favorite survival knife maker will Always be ACK Knives.

We go way beyond just a customer-maker relationship in my book. Andy helped me out in a way that was/ is so sentimental to me, and not just once but twice, and for that I can Never thank him enough. When other knife makers shunned me off and even mocked what I wanted to do for my Dad, ACK was there, showed compassion, and answered that calling and fulfilled my dream of a handmade survival knife to dedicate to the loving memory of my Dad, who was a real US Army Special Forces and a Korea and Vietnam Veteran. He sadly passed away on Jan 1, 2010.

Then, I lost my baby brother suddenly in 2012. Again, ACK Knives was right there and answered yet another calling to make a dedication knife for me in honor of my brother. And man oh man, did Andy ever make a Knife!! He knocked it right out of the ball park with his skill as knife and sheath maker. So you see, this is why ACK Knives, to me, is more than just a good knife maker. He is one that is kind and caring and compassionate to others' ideas, no matter how crazy or bizarre they seem.

Anyway, thanks ACK...for this and for always being there. I just cannot wait to get even more ACK knives made, LOL!!

That's worth embedding FOR YOU.....


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The VERY first one! I'm pretty sure I know who you are TheDemonBeast! I guarantee if he were to resell this knife it would sell for as much or more than what you paid. Not trying to toot my own horn, but I have orders/customer currently waiting for theirs as we speak.

 

[thedemonbeast]

Hello,

I have seen BSK Knives' resale value, and it is pretty poor. But that is not nor should ever be because the knives are low in quality. Have to give due credit here...other owners of BSK knives I've talked to say they are solid quality knives, much better than the cheapo wall-hanger mass produced ones going for $150 and even more at some points.

But my take on the poor resale value has everything to do with low Ebay Bids and Bidders that are out to get something for almost nothing. I have seen Buckmaster 184's, box, pins, and all, sell for $70. I personally bought and extremely well made Rambo 3 style knife that was handmade, and won it for just $77 Including Shipping! That well made knife should of never sold for that cheap of price. I also won an Explorer Master 21-032 knife for under $70 I think it was. And that knife is a Buckmaster 184 copy, and it is even way better made than the Buckmasters. The Explorer Master knives were made with 440C equivalent steel and made in SEKI City Japan. Their blades and tips are super strong.

The Buckmaster is made with 420HC steel, and the saw back on it cannot even be used due to its lower quality. The serrations on it are mainly for looks. However, I know firsthand that the serrations on the Explorer Master knife...And also the Parker Master knife that I just won and will have soon, which is a bigger, beefier copy of the famous Buckmaster 184, can actually be used due to the higher quality steel their blades are made with.

Well, kind of got off topic again, didn't I. So easy to do because I love knife discussions and could talk about them for hours. matter of fact, I have talked for hours on end about them, LOL. But anyway, as I said, don't misunderstand the BSK Knives' low Ebay resale prices and bids. That has nothing to do with their quality and everything to do with low Ebay Bidders trying to get something for nothing.

maybe you haven't seen bsk knives resale value about six months ago I picked up a polished one he made with a custom sheath plus a extra buttcap which he charges 60 extra for under 400 dollars

 

[thedemonbeast]

If you are wanting to keep the knife but you want it re-bead blasted. and you don't mind that the knife is fully bead blasted, I know a local guy that runs a shop here that bead blasts and sand blasts. I have had all of my survival knives done by him and he does excellent work. He only charges me $7.50 per knife to do it. Think about it, and if you want to keep the knife but just want it re-blasted so the rust is gone, let me know and I can give you my home address. You can send your knife to me and I will go have it done for you right away. I will even cover the $7.50 cost for you, but you will have to cover both Shipping costs to and from me. I will cover the $7.50 with no reimbursing request, just straight as a favor to you because I feel that you have just really been through enough. Anyway, let me know via a private message, and if you do want this, let me know that as well and we can get the ball rolling. No problem with getting it done and then sending it right back to you the very next day.

I'd say maybe a week or week and half tops, maybe even sooner, depending on how long it takes the knife to get here and how long it takes to get back to you. But the between time is only a day, maybe 2. Anyway, please let me know. However, if you are wanting it detailed where the serrations and the edge are shiny and just the center of the knife is blasted, as in the movie knife version, then I'd suggest someone else because I don't think the guy would take time to do tht. He does have the skill to do the detailed work but I don't think he would want to take the time. But if you just want it fully bead blasted or sand blasted, then that is No problem at all. Anyway, let me know in a message.

And by the way, you don't have to worry about me stealing your knife, LOL!! Aside from being a Christian, I Hate Thieves!!!! Thieves are just cowards, plain and simple!! They are cowards because they are too afraid to get oht there and work and earn money for what they want. They'd just soon let others earn and buy, and they take what they worked so hard for. that is my outlook on thieves!! But anyway, it is up to you. Andy also offered you the service. So you have options here, and from good people who really feel for what you have been put through!!

unfortunately I paid with two money orders but I have pictures of them and the numbers saved. I think your right I will have to find someone to bead blast it which will cost more money out of my pocket but for good reason im not going to send a knife back to a guy for repairs who kept the knife 8 times to long lied to me over and over then sent me that

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I've had about enough of this thread. We covered the original poster's problem in detail. His complaint was justified. He has a few possibilities and knows where to go from here.

Now the thread has devolved into advertising for others who are not paid Bladeforums members. I am closing it.