WARNING: Issues with cvuicich, ja2072, was: What does LNIB mean?

[craytab]

'Like new' is like a display model: sure it's not damaged nor does it look anything but new, but it certainly has been handled enough to not be considered 'new'.

I'd say don't use LNIB or NIB, but rather describe your knife in words and detail any issues with it. Catch-all acronyms just lead to confusion and disappointment.

Couldn't agree more :thumbup:

 

[Biginboca]

I would be pissed if I bought a knife advertised as LNIB and received the pictured knife!

That knife should be described as used, not NIB or LNIB. Maybe Used In Box, lol

All kidding aside that knife should be described as "used with edge damage and wear on the handles, needs sharpening, includes box."

Buyers will be happy to receive a knife in better than advertised condition. I prefer a happy buyer to feeling like I successfully took advantage of a trusting member of BF. (Not saying this is what the OP did!)

 

[brandoak]

I have preshipp photos ...

 

[brandoak]

I searched the net for the term "LNIB" and there is definitely a motley description out there for sure. I will certainly be more descriptive from now on and will never use the term LNIB again.
I hope the buyer is now happy and I cant thank you guys enough for helping! Thanks. expensive lesson learned......

 

[woodysone]

I'm assuming that PP required that the knife in question be returned before the buyer gets refunded?

 

[brandoak]

No, not at all, Paypal immediately seized funds from my account and froze it. The buyer bought the knife for someone else that I refused to sell to, and told me afterward... and then this mess.

I'm assuming that PP required that the knife in question be returned before the buyer gets refunded?

 

[ATwistedStaple]

Your best bet for future sales is to examine the item closely and be sure to outline any and all flaws in the description. The acronym you use and the buyers understanding of it won't matter if the flaws are listed in the sale ad.

 

[blade dude]

Next time don't label it anything just put pictures. If they ask questions answer but only post pictures, name of knife and price.


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[brandoak]

Im at fault, its over and settled now...the buyer got $100 off the already insane sale price of the knife. I'm chalking it up as experience and letting it go.

 

[Sosa]

Sometimes key pics are left out and the description is vague. Then questions aren't answered clearly. That's when it's time to walk away.

 

[stonesell]

Even new knives that I buy from the online dealers, sometimes have flaws. When posting a knife on the forum, it's best to look closely at it, and highlight the potential flaws. The knife in the photo looks to be somewhat used.

 

[Basp2005]

To me, "NIB" means the knife is newly acquired, is in the box, has never seen any use or been carried. Some might say that it should only be used for knives which have never been sold in a retail environment; the person advertising it as NIB is advertising that the buyer will effectively be the first owner.
"LNIB" means you are saying it is "like new", but previously owned. Never used, in the same condition you purchased it in, still has the box etc.

Both indicated that there should be no signs of wear that didn't originate from the manufacturer.

This.

 

[brancron]

It's very easy to avoid these kinds of problems. Take a handful of photos in good light that show all aspects of the knife (blade on both sides, body, clip, lockup, and flaws visible to you in natural light, etc.).

As others have said, a knife with the kind of scratches and edge damage shown here is not anything close to "like new in box," and your sales thread was misleading.

 

[brancron]

I have preshipp photos ...

Tip: go outside to take your photos. Don't take them in direct sunlight; the best light is an area of shade that's surrounded by direct sunlight. Even with a crappy phone camera like mine, in the right light you can take photos that show the knife properly. Here's an example:

 

[S.T.R.]

Ok, the pictures from your sales thread the only wear shown is slightly on the pocket clip.
The edge didn't look like the one the guy sent you.
So this guy lied and bought the knife for someone that you refused to sell to then demanded a discount?
He lied to you once, how do you know that he didn't lie again and mess up the knife himself? I would have taken the knife back, sold it to someone else and put the first guy on the ignore list.
It seem like you did everything right. The guy and his buddy might have scammed you.
Who is he?
I don't want to deal with someone like that.

 

[Armadew]

No, not at all, Paypal immediately seized funds from my account and froze it. The buyer bought the knife for someone else that I refused to sell to, and told me afterward... and then this mess.

I'd like more details on this of you wouldn't mind!

 

[KELAMA]

Hello formates I have recently sold a knife here on the exchange and when the buyer received it he wrote me and stated

"Hey man. I am not at all satisfied with my purchase. The pocket clip has several scratches on it. There are chips in the blade and scratches on the body. You sold it as LNIB!
I don't want to cause a big issue here on the forum but this is no bueno."

I responded "You have my full attention. What separates LNIB from NIB? Would "like new in box" be the same as almost new? and brand spanking new would be NIB? "

He then responded by saying "I can assure you if you put it up for debate on the forum, you won't find the masses agree with your description. I have filed a claim with paypal and will pursue this further with them. Thank you."

I listed the knife as LNIB not NIB, I have full intention of doing the right thing here so what do you guys describe a Like new in box item?

Im somewhat disappointed that the buyer has immediately filed a claim on paypal.
I have ask the buyer if sending money as a discount to him would make him satisfied.

I don't recall the scuff on the side and my pre-shipping pictures dont show it. The marks on the clip were there, this I know, and the blade rolling/chipping... I dont know, looks like skin left from feeling the edge? Im giving the benefit of the doubt to the buyer here.
Need your guises opinion here.

^ The topic of this thread shouldn't be solely on what people's definitions of NIB or LNIB, are, but more to do with the facts of this transaction, IMHO. This transaction, stinks; especially when you take into account, what these "TWO" conspiring buyer's did, to deceptively purchase this Marfione MT Custom Scarab, from the OP! :thumbdn:

Ok, the pictures from your sales thread the only wear shown is slightly on the pocket clip.
The edge didn't look like the one the guy sent you.
So this guy lied and bought the knife for someone that you refused to sell to then demanded a discount?
He lied to you once, how do you know that he didn't lie again and mess up the knife himself? I would have taken the knife back, sold it to someone else and put the first guy on the ignore list.
It seem like you did everything right. The guy and his buddy might have scammed you.
Who is he?
I don't want to deal with someone like that.

^ I completely agree with you STR. What these 2 buyer's pulled off, was complete and utter deceptive BS!

I'd like more details on this of you wouldn't mind!

^ +1 I agree!


The OP & I exchanged at least a dozen PM's prior to this post. There are some extremely important facts to this transaction, that have been left out, & need to be addressed here. These facts, speak volumes! The member'"S" whom bought this knife, did so in a highly deceptive manner. When you look at these facts:

1. OP, refuses to sell his Marfioni Custom MT Scarab to attempted buyer #1.
2. Buyer #1 gets buyer #2, to conspire with him & buy this $$$ Custom MT knife anyway.
3. Buyer #2, buys this knife for the jilted/refused buyer #1.
4. Buyer #2 receives Custom MT knife & isn't happy with it's condition.
5 Jilted buyer #1 & buyer #2 aren't happy, & want a discount (the same $100 discount buyer #1 originally tried to haggle which caused the OP to not want to deal with/along with other highly other deceptive tactics attempted by buyer #1).
6. Buyer #2, void of any professionalism, doesn't give the OP, the opportunity to rectify, or communicate any possible resolution, & hastily files a dispute with PayPal, blemishing the OP's PayPal account.
7. Via PayPal dispute, buyer #1 or #2 accepts a $100 discount, for this beautiful MT Custom Marfioni Scarab, that was already discounted a few hundred dollars.

^ WOW!!! There's a lot more to this story/transaction, that just NIB/LNIB acronyms!!! Hopefully the OP, can fill in the details, regarding what these 2 friend's pulled off (either with the Mod's, or in the thread). The condition of the OP's knife (which IMO was in beautiful condition other than the pocket clip- see sales thread pics), doesn't excuse the actions, of either of these co-conspirators. :thumbdn::thumbdn:

And there's a reason, "WHY," ja2072 was already on my "never to do business list," long before this thread/transaction happened!


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-SOLD!-Priced-DROP!-Microtech-DOC-LUDT-Scarab

^ The sales thread this MT Scarab was purchased from. And then there's this thread (involving buyer #2 which add some clarity as to his character)v:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...people-that-don-t-want-trades-Consensus/page2


EDIT:
Back on topic:
I never list a knife as "NIB" anymore. And when I do sell a knife & list it "LNIB:" you can be certain that it's in basically new only taken out of the box condition, never used/never sharpened, excellent F&F condition! I will continue to use this acronym: "LNIB," along with a detailed description, & pictures.

 

[Mobster1983]

To me, "NIB" means the knife is newly acquired, is in the box, has never seen any use or been carried. Some might say that it should only be used for knives which have never been sold in a retail environment; the person advertising it as NIB is advertising that the buyer will effectively be the first owner.
"LNIB" means you are saying it is "like new", but previously owned. Never used, in the same condition you purchased it in, still has the box etc.
Both indicated that there should be no signs of wear that didn't originate from the manufacturer.

I agree with this.

 

[brandoak]

There really isn't anything to gain here...except some of the intricacies of the transaction ....
I asked for help here and I got it. My idea of LNIB was wrong and I was schooled on it, the buyer and I came to a settlement and its done. Do I fully agree? no but its over and done.

Could I cry conspiracy? sure .....about the buyer going behind my back and purchasing the knife from a individual that I refused to do business with, who also wanted $100 off the listing price....well he got just that. .....

I refused to sell the knife to first buyer who contacted me outside of blade forums . I asked that he pm me on BF. He said he had no BF account b/c BF wouldn't take his email provider.. also wanted the knife for 100 less than listed on BF. I tell him no, to risky sorry. He continued telling me his affiliation with other forums, reputation, ect... I ignore him
He miraculously shows up on BF and says "Ill take it" (has 11 Posts and 2 feedback...) I ignore him again...
He then secretively gets buyer number 2 on BF to conspire with him to buy my knife anyway..
second BF member pops up with "Ill take it" has good feedback and history so I sell it to him.
Buyer buys the knife and then tells me that he actually bought it for the other guy that I refused to sell to. Says he's a good guy and that they are good friends..I should trust him in the future..ect
Buyer receives knife in mail doesn't even give me the opportunity to rectify, or communicate any possible resolution, prior to filing a PayPal claim.

 

[KELAMA]

There really isn't anything to gain here...exceptQUOTE]

...Except, for enlightening other reputable member's here, with some valuable information that they can use FWIW:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/234592-cvuicich

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/427435-ja2072

I for one, sincerely appreciate you sharing this information. Two highly unethical member's (IMO) whom have lost the privilege of ever transacting with me. There are way too many other good people here, to deal with. :thumbup: