WARNING: Issues with cvuicich, ja2072, was: What does LNIB mean?

Well, now that we are in the GB&U we can discuss the deal....

Seems like you got scammed Brandoak.

I had the second buyer on ignore from his last thread where he got pissed that people were sending him trade offers even though he didn't exclude such offers in his terms. Also on ignore for his desire to accept paypal gift payments. This is not a person I wanted to do business with. You can learn a lot about folks in the GB&U, especially when they are the one starting the thread.

The first buyer is now on ignore so thank you OP for bring this to our attention.

In the future Brandoak, just refund the money after they have sent the knife back. That is what paypal will have you all do. Yes, it may not come back in the same condition. Yes you will be out some shipping. But you won't be letting yourself get scammed. Then start a thread here bringing these two scammers to our attention. Lessons for everyone!
 
brandoak said:
There really isn't anything to gain here...except some of the intricacies of the transaction ....
I asked for help here and I got it. My idea of LNIB was wrong and I was schooled on it, the buyer and I came to a settlement and its done. Do I fully agree? no but its over and done.

Could I cry conspiracy? sure .....about the buyer going behind my back and purchasing the knife from a individual that I refused to do business with, who also wanted $100 off the listing price....well he got just that. .....

I refused to sell the knife to first buyer who contacted me outside of blade forums . I asked that he pm me on BF. He said he had no BF account b/c BF wouldn't take his email provider.. also wanted the knife for 100 less than listed on BF. I tell him no, to risky sorry. He continued telling me his affiliation with other forums, reputation, ect... I ignore him
He miraculously shows up on BF and says "Ill take it" (has 11 Posts and 2 feedback...) I ignore him again...
He then secretively gets buyer number 2 on BF to conspire with him to buy my knife anyway..
second BF member pops up with "Ill take it" has good feedback and history so I sell it to him.
Buyer buys the knife and then tells me that he actually bought it for the other guy that I refused to sell to. Says he's a good guy and that they are good friends..I should trust him in the future..ect
Buyer receives knife in mail doesn't even give me the opportunity to rectify, or communicate any possible resolution, prior to filing a PayPal claim.
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Ban both of them!
 
Have had some interaction with Brandoak in the past and found him to be an honest and stand up dude.
What these 2 dip sticks have done is pure scamming......and once again a good guy gets skinned.
Hope those 2 are comfy on ignore.
Hang in there Brandon!!! There really are a large number of good people here!!
Joe
 
IMO, nib can only come from a dealer or maker. Lnib comes from a third-party and is in precisely the same condition as nib.
 
Kelma, Thank you for filling in the missing details. I have never commented before on a GBU thread, but this one really stood out that something was glaringly wrong. I think where people got confused was where the OP posted the buyers pictures first. I think he should have posted his own pre-shipping pictures and sales thread photos then the buyers photos then let people judge what condition the knife was in when it left his possession. He should have also fills in the details, especially the on about the original buyer wanting a $100 discount.
I have never said this before about anyone, but I think the two conspirators should be BANNED!
OP you did everything right, except you should have waited before giving these two scammers a refund.
 
S.T.R. said:
Kelma, Thank you for filling in the missing details. I have never commented before on a GBU thread, but this one really stood out that something was glaringly wrong. I think where people got confused was where the OP posted the buyers pictures first. I think he should have posted his own pre-shipping pictures and sales thread photos then the buyers photos then let people judge what condition the knife was in when it left his possession. He should have also fills in the details, especially the on about the original buyer wanting a $100 discount.
I have never said this before about anyone, but I think the two conspirators should be BANNED!
OP you did everything right, except you should have waited before giving these two scammers a refund.
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^ I agree. Some form of punishment is warranted, for what these 2 cohorts pulled off.

There was a recent thread concerning PayPal, & the selling of knives. I'm not sure if it's relevant, but does anyone here feel that perhaps PayPal's customer service, would've been biased in making a unfavorable decision against the OP (provided this claim ran it's course), knowing that the item that he sold & mailed, was in fact, a Microtech OTF Scarab?

I think these 2 guys knew, that with PayPal's protection policy typically siding with the buyer, & the fact this knife was an OTF automatic, that they would be in the driver's seat, once they got possession of the knife...

and they pretty much did. :mad:
 
craytab said:
Wrong section.

LNIB can mean whatever you want. I would prefer an actual description and pictures over a meaningless acronym.
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That's about right.

LNIB means many things to many people, and that's the problem.

Perhaps those acronyms should be replaced by a lot of pics and a full description of what the knife has done, and any issues with it, irrelevant of how small they might seem.

The point is, no surprises when the buyer opens the package which should equal a perfect transaction....
 
KELAMA said:
^ I agree. Some form of punishment is warranted, for what these 2 cohorts pulled off.

There was a recent thread concerning PayPal, & the selling of knives. I'm not sure if it's relevant, but does anyone here feel that perhaps PayPal's customer service, would've been biased in making a unfavorable decision against the OP (provided this claim ran it's course), knowing that the item that he sold & mailed, was in fact, a Microtech OTF Scarab?

I think these 2 guys knew, that with PayPal's protection policy typically siding with the buyer, & the fact this knife was an OTF automatic, that they would be in the driver's seat, once they got possession of the knife...

and they pretty much did. :mad:
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My Spidey sense tells me you are correct Sir.
 
brandoak said:
There really isn't anything to gain here...except some of the intricacies of the transaction ....
I asked for help here and I got it. My idea of LNIB was wrong and I was schooled on it, the buyer and I came to a settlement and its done. Do I fully agree? no but its over and done.

Could I cry conspiracy? sure .....about the buyer going behind my back and purchasing the knife from a individual that I refused to do business with, who also wanted $100 off the listing price....well he got just that. .....

I refused to sell the knife to first buyer who contacted me outside of blade forums . I asked that he pm me on BF. He said he had no BF account b/c BF wouldn't take his email provider.. also wanted the knife for 100 less than listed on BF. I tell him no, to risky sorry. He continued telling me his affiliation with other forums, reputation, ect... I ignore him
He miraculously shows up on BF and says "Ill take it" (has 11 Posts and 2 feedback...) I ignore him again...
He then secretively gets buyer number 2 on BF to conspire with him to buy my knife anyway..
second BF member pops up with "Ill take it" has good feedback and history so I sell it to him.
Buyer buys the knife and then tells me that he actually bought it for the other guy that I refused to sell to. Says he's a good guy and that they are good friends..I should trust him in the future..ect
Buyer receives knife in mail doesn't even give me the opportunity to rectify, or communicate any possible resolution, prior to filing a PayPal claim.
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Part #2

I am really confused about this?

PP has to know about this because the actual owner of the knife is buyer one.
If he bought it for someone else, and that someone else has an issue with the knife then that becomes an issue with the owner (the actual buyer) and the person he bought it for.

Who knows what happened to the knife between buyer one having it in his posetion and the time it took for person 2 to get it, but that is not your problem.

Buyer one's complaint is based on the complaint of the person he purchased it for, and that person wanted $100 off from the beginning and found a way to get it.

There would have been a $ transaction between buyer one and the actual person who wanted the knife, so at that point it has been re-sold and is no longer your problem.

There is so many things wrong with how this transaction was manipulated by these two that they should just be banned to avoid what is clearly nothing short of fraud happening to another member in the future.

This was the plan all along, and that's not even close to being OK in my book.
 
This is all just crazy. The second someone starts asking for money off, the transaction is over in my mind. Paypal will have the item returned to seller and money returned to buyer. Asking for money after the fact is shady. Best to just undo the deal and move on.
 
JR88FAN said:
Part #2

I am really confused about this?

PP has to know about this because the actual owner of the knife is buyer one.
If he bought it for someone else, and that someone else has an issue with the knife then that becomes an issue with the owner (the actual buyer) and the person he bought it for.

Who knows what happened to the knife between buyer one having it in his posetion and the time it took for person 2 to get it, but that is not your problem.

Buyer one's complaint is based on the complaint of the person he purchased it for, and that person wanted $100 off from the beginning and found a way to get it.

There would have been a $ transaction between buyer one and the actual person who wanted the knife, so at that point it has been re-sold and is no longer your problem.

There is so many things wrong with how this transaction was manipulated by these two that they should just be banned to avoid what is clearly nothing short of fraud happening to another member in the future.

This was the plan all along, and that's not even close to being OK in my book.
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I agree JR! The actions of these 2 & what they did to the OP, was a big "NO BUENO!". The fact that buyer #2 had the nerve to play the "NO BUENO" card, in his message to the OP, I find hilarious!

I sent these 2 co-conspirators, V.M's. with the link to this thread.
 
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Chris Larrikin said:
To me, "NIB" means the knife is newly acquired, is in the box, has never seen any use or been carried. Some might say that it should only be used for knives which have never been sold in a retail environment; the person advertising it as NIB is advertising that the buyer will effectively be the first owner.
"LNIB" means you are saying it is "like new", but previously owned. Never used, in the same condition you purchased it in, still has the box etc.

Both indicated that there should be no signs of wear that didn't originate from the manufacturer.
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Ditto, to me NIB and LNIB are the same thing and the knife should be mint without any evidence of use or carry or sharpening, etc. The only exception would be for a very old knife that has some aging patina, etc. but is otherwise mint.
 
I can speak to some degree of dealing with unscrupulous individuals on the internet. I sold a pair of sunglasses on the bid-oriented website that shall not be named to an overseas buyer (which was mistake number one.) I have pre-shipment pictures, which were those used in the listing, of the item's condition, which was flawless. The buyer filed a "not as described" claim, causing the funds to be immediately frozen, and claimed the item was damaged.

He submitted grainy photos of obvious damage that was not on the item prior to shipment. It became clear to me in conversing with him that he simply did not want the item but did not want to pay the costly international shipping to send it back, and so intentionally damaged them although he would not admit such. Under these circumstances the website requires the SELLER to pay return shipping on his dime--meaning that I was essentially going to pay the item's cost again just to get it back, and they were unsaleable at that point due to the damage!

To make a long story a bit shorter I lost the dispute! I did not even ask the buyer to return the item, I simply refunded his money and let him keep them. So the fellow walked away with a costly item for free. Obviously I no longer sell on that website anymore.

I have moved to selling and trading exclusively here because I have yet to deal with a member who was anything other than stand up. I feel comfortable dealing with folks here, like I know them better than a random person on the Internet. That trust would be damaged if these buyers were allowed to walk away without repercussions! I wish you the best OP and you seem to have handled this well no matter what may have been the case on the front end.
 
I purchased the knife as "LNIB Safe Queen". The knife arrived to me w/ signature required at 11:42am, I reached out to the seller within 10 minutes about being unhappy withe scratches, signs of use and wear on Blade and that I wasnt satisfied with my purchase. The seller replied with a snarky remark with what is NIB, what is LNIB, etc. instead of any offering to make this right. Therefore I utilized the paypal protection that we all love so much, I requested a partial refund and he then contacted me to setitle for a $100 partial refund through the paypal systen. There was no scamming or trickery, simply buyer receiving an item not in condition not as advertised and seller and buyer agreeing to a settle. Let's keep in mind were dealing with luxury goods here, a custom Marfione not a $50 Kershaw. I extended trust that was not due to the seller. Knife wasnt as advertised and he made me whole. The quickness to witch hunt is a little unsettling.
 
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