WARNING: Issues with cvuicich, ja2072, was: What does LNIB mean?

Spark said:
This doesn't pass the smell test.

This is why transactions should always be done on the forums. This is why you don't do Paypal gift. This is why you take photos. The seller shouldn't have given a refund, he should have requested the knife back. The buyer(s) were shady all the way around.

I'm tempted to ban both cvuivich and ja2072, but the problem is there's no proof that cvuivich was involved other than 2nd hand information. ja2072 has apparently disappeared now. I've changed the thread title, and would like to see more information.
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Pretty sure i read early on that JA said he bought the knife for Cvuivich in email correspondance.

JA dissapearing is basically saying he doesn't care and will wait for it to blow over.... if it ever does.

Im hoping more evidence comes to light on this.... and as i type this Cvuivich in listed as a user browsing this thread.
 
I won't get personal, but I will publicly state that I hate people who F-up big time and then take off. State your piece, assuming you have one, and fix the problem.

cvuicich is watching this thread right now. He knows what's up. I don't have to time post the screen shot right now... In a bit.
 
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alfred mcdougal said:
I won't get personal, but I will publicly state that I hate people who F-up big time and then take off. State your piece, assuming you have one.

cvuicich is watching this thread right now. He knows what's up. I don't have to time post the screen shot right now... In a bit.
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There is at least some association between the 2 buyers. cvuivich is listed on ja2072 friend list(USN). What that really means, I don't know. It could be anything from a good friend to someone who just asked to be on the friends list(this is how it is with me-I don't actively participate). Give the other info I would say it is closer to good friends.
I saw a listing over there by ja2072 and just thought I would check his profile and see.
 
Spark said:
This doesn't pass the smell test.

This is why transactions should always be done on the forums. This is why you don't do Paypal gift. This is why you take photos. The seller shouldn't have given a refund, he should have requested the knife back. The buyer(s) were shady all the way around.

I'm tempted to ban both cvuivich and ja2072, but the problem is there's no proof that cvuivich was involved other than 2nd hand information. ja2072 has apparently disappeared now. I've changed the thread title, and would like to see more information.
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It's so awesome for you to weigh in on this thread, Spark! :thumbup: Thank you!

It's quite obvious, that neither one of these member's are man enough to address this forum, with the truth. Hopefully the final piece of evidence will come forward, & these 2 conniving thieves, will be gone!

Excellent job, on whomever idea it was to change the title of this thread! :thumbup:


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Another great job, getting that screenshot, Popsickle! :thumbup::thumbup:

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cigarrodog said:
The smell of dead horses being beaten is strong. The OP and most of us understand, or now understand, the need to exercise caution when employing terms like NIB, LNIB, etc. If the assertion that the buyer colluded with the rejected buyer is true, and their refusal to respond persists, then in my mind, the assertion is most likely correct. I trust the wisdom of GBU and its' Moderators to let this continue until its' proper time.
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^ It appears, that the "proper" time of reckoning, has arrived! :D
 
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OP you are a more patient, even keeled and ever the more emotionally stable man than myself AND probably more so than most of the lot of misfits on this forum, lol.

I wouldn't have went ape on those two scammed just on principal alone. This isn't even about the money but principals.

I hate scummy Americans I find them to be the lowest of lows. We live in a country where even the poorest live better than the rest of the world and we have opportunities to earn our way forward.

Anyway enough of this rant and good on you for being the better man even if folks dissented at first. Those buyers clearly manipulated the situation the only thing you did wrong here was selling to the first buyers straw man knowingly. They may be even the same guy who knows.

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cchu518 said:
OP you are a more patient, even keeled and ever the more emotionally stable man than myself AND probably more so than most of the lot of misfits on this forum, lol.

I wouldn't have went ape on those two scammed just on principal alone. This isn't even about the money but principals.

Anyway enough of this rant and good on you for being the better man even if folks dissented at first. Those buyers clearly manipulated the situation the only thing you did wrong here was selling to the first buyers straw man knowingly. They may be even the same guy who knows.

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This thread confused quite a few people, from the onset. Many people here were mislead, when the OP made the mistake of posting the fabricated pictures taken by these 2 scammer's, first, instead of his 2 sets of pictures. Even though the OP (Brandon), clearly stated that those pictures in no way matched his pictures, many here accepted the scammer's pictures as fact.

Whose pictures do you believe now??? With the exception of the pocket clip, this very expensive custom, was in all probability, very close to the LNIB, just as the OP described. The OP learned a very valuable lesson here, & I have no doubt, he will be describing his items much more carefully in the future. Regardless of the fact that the pocket clip had very minimal wear, the price that the OP sold this Scarab for, was a steal...& these 2 scammer's deceptively collaborated, to steal another $100 off of that steal!

It wouldn't surprise me in the least, to eventually see this Custom MT OTF Scarab, wind up on the secondary market, marked up at a profit!

And let's not forget that defamatory bogus PayPal dispute, that was filed by ja2072, against Brandon. This was a calculated move, & part of their premeditated plan. They knew that this would give them the upper hand (PayPal typically siding with the buyer), & basically use PayPal's dispute option, as a way to blackmail the extra $100 they sought in the first place.

With these type of actions, neither of these two (ja2072 & cvulcich), deserve to be part of this community! :thumbdn: :thumbdn:


v These comments, need to be kept at the forefront of this thread:

RevDevil said:
So I reached out to the buyer and asked what was going on and he replied with 2 messages. He has since turned off his visitor messages and private messaging which pretty much says "I don't want to discuss this any further, no matter what". How else can we interpret that action?
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Spark said:
This doesn't pass the smell test.

This is why transactions should always be done on the forums. This is why you don't do Paypal gift. This is why you take photos. The seller shouldn't have given a refund, he should have requested the knife back. The buyer(s) were shady all the way around.

I'm tempted to ban both cvuivich and ja2072, but the problem is there's no proof that cvuivich was involved other than 2nd hand information. ja2072 has apparently disappeared now. I've changed the thread title, and would like to see more information.
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I'd be willing to bet It was a scam. Those pictures were probably of someone else's knife harvested from the internet or maybe his friends knife to get a discount
 
brandoak said:
Hello formates I have recently sold a knife here on the exchange and when the buyer received it he wrote me and stated

"Hey man. I am not at all satisfied with my purchase. The pocket clip has several scratches on it. There are chips in the blade and scratches on the body. You sold it as LNIB!
I don't want to cause a big issue here on the forum but this is no bueno."

I responded "You have my full attention. What separates LNIB from NIB? Would "like new in box" be the same as almost new? and brand spanking new would be NIB? "

He then responded by saying "I can assure you if you put it up for debate on the forum, you won't find the masses agree with your description. I have filed a claim with paypal and will pursue this further with them. Thank you."

I listed the knife as LNIB not NIB, I have full intention of doing the right thing here so what do you guys describe a Like new in box item?

Im somewhat disappointed that the buyer has immediately filed a claim on paypal.
I have ask the buyer if sending money as a discount to him would make him satisfied.

Here is the listing: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-SOLD!-Priced-DROP!-Microtech-DOC-LUDT-Scarab
and here are the pictures he sent to me describing his disapointment: (His pictures)




I dont recall the scuff on the side and my pre-shipping pictures dont show it. The marks on the clip were there, this I know, and the blade rolling/chipping... I dont know, looks like skin left from feeling the edge? Im giving the benefit of the doubt to the buyer here.
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My opinion is that should have been sold as "Used".

Like New in the Box is in my estimation one that has been taken out of the box. Opened, checked for any imperfections from the dealer or maker, photographed and has had minimal knifesturbation. If I sell a knife as LNIB it has had zero pocket time to ensure it doesn't get scuffed at all. BNIB is opened, examined and photographed before going back into its storage.

Any knife sold with scuffs on the clips, Ti handles, backspacer or blade is a used knife no matter how much you want to retain its original purchase price.

I've sold users before and got comments back saying "hey it looks pretty new". Full disclosure is the knife did ride in my pocket.
 
RNST said:
My opinion is that should have been sold as "Used".

Like New in the Box is in my estimation one that has been taken out of the box. Opened, checked for any imperfections from the dealer or maker, photographed and has had minimal knifesturbation. If I sell a knife as LNIB it has had zero pocket time to ensure it doesn't get scuffed at all. BNIB is opened, examined and photographed before going back into its storage.

Any knife sold with scuffs on the clips, Ti handles, backspacer or blade is a used knife no matter how much you want to retain its original purchase price.

I've sold users before and got comments back saying "hey it looks pretty new". Full disclosure is the knife did ride in my pocket.
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I think were well passed the LNIB issue.......
 
I feel like people haven't read the whole thread. The seller acknowledged that it shouldn't have been LNIB. We cleared that whole part up on page 2 and have subsequently moved on to other issues.
 
Two points, if I may.

1) Regarding the buyer's right to do what he wants with the knife once he has it, including reselling it to his friend. Yes, he has that right. I have the right to sleep with your wife, but that doesn't mean it is an honorable thing to do.

2) I have seen two trade posts in the last week where one party screwed up, then made things right even though it cost them money:

In the first, the seller offered the same items to two buyers. He decided the HONORABLE THING TO DO was to buy a second set of the items at retail and sell one set to buyer A and one to buyer B, though he would have lost money on the transaction.

In the second, a seller made a deal to sell a knife below market, then sold it to a second buyer at a higher price and wanted to cancel the first deal. As it turned out, the second deal did not go through but rather than simply try to resell it at the higher price, the seller told the first buyer that if he still wanted it, he could have it at an even lower price due to his screw up.

Both of these sellers made a mistake, then saw what the right thing to do was and did it, though it would have cost them.

IMHO, in the present case, the buyers are the ones who made the mistake and the honorable thing to do would be to return the knife for a refund, though it would cost them their great deal.

We can't always do right, but when we don't we can try to make it right.
 
All the marks shown on the up close detailed pics were clearly visible in op original sale post if u zoomed a little
 
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