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WARNING: Issues with cvuicich, ja2072, was: What does LNIB mean?
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Under section 3 "Rules for everyone" in the Exchange rules:
"6. These forums operate on honesty and integrity. As such, we have a dim view of people who act dishonestly. Your actions in the community have consequences, even if they happen elsewhere, something to keep in mind."
Buying for another member the seller said he would not sell to violates section 3 rule 6 in my mind. Further, not confirming or denying if you did so presses the point.
"6. These forums operate on honesty and integrity. As such, we have a dim view of people who act dishonestly. Your actions in the community have consequences, even if they happen elsewhere, something to keep in mind."
Buying for another member the seller said he would not sell to violates section 3 rule 6 in my mind. Further, not confirming or denying if you did so presses the point.
Peter Hartwig
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I have to believe this is a rare case. People buy all the time for father, grandfather, girl friend and such, but very few are willing to risk their own reputation over a person that was refused a sale. Not a real smart move IMO and one I am sure he is regretting now.
side note;
While I don't think the OP met the criteria for LNIB the photo's shown are extremely magnified and wouldn't be as noticeable to the naked eye.
side note;
While I don't think the OP met the criteria for LNIB the photo's shown are extremely magnified and wouldn't be as noticeable to the naked eye.
KingMC, look at the pictures in the sales thread first, then look at the pictures in the pre-shipping, then look at the Buyers pictures. They pictures, especially pre-ship compared to the buyers photos are not the same. The buyer lied initailly, so what's to say he didn't scuff up the knife then take pictures and post those? He was dishonest about why or who he was buying the knife for. He could have easily have said, "Hey my buddy contacted me and want me to buy this knife for him, since you won't sell it to him." Did he do that? No. Also when you take into account that the original buyer wanted a $100 discount from an already reduced price for a custom Mariafone and he contacted him outside of BF to try and make the deal, in my book it all doesn't add up. Like I said before, they found a way to buy the knife and get the discount they wanted. If they were truly unhappy with the knife they could have sent it back and asked for a refund, but that's not what they wanted.
Screen shots don't really matter, because we are just spectators and voicing our "public opinion", the only ones who need to be privy to the screen shots and PMs are the MODs, hopefully they will see all the evidence and weigh in on the matter and take the appropriate action/s.
FWIW, I don't know any of the parties involved. I don't know brandoak, or ja2072 or cvuicich. All I know is what I have read here and from that I was able to decipher who is someone I would want to deal with and who I would not.
More simply put, who has honor and who does not?
The two that don't are the first two people ever on my ignore list.
Take it for what it worth.
We need to wait and see what the MODs think it's worth!
I think public opinion, or the masses as ja2072 said, clearly shows who was right and who was in the wrong.
I haven't seen too many people jumping in to defend ja2072 and his friend, plenty of people who don't even know you but judge you by your actions, have stepped in on your behalf.
I accept that, the original post where you described the situation made it seem that you declined based on the fact that he didn't want to send you a PM and you needed one to sell it to him. More information showed more of the situation.
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Op did confirm that the clip marks were there
After a bit of searching Chase Vuicich and I did conduct business back in september of 2013 on the USN. It was a weird sale because he had someone else send me funds..... i cant find anywhere if i actually went through with the sale (probably did)..... but i did call him out on it. Ill get the original emails and post them of need be. It proves that shady sales tactics are not new to him. At the time i was recouping funds after my house burnt down so i wouldnt doubt that i just went ahead and sent the item
Peter Hartwig
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Original buyer seems to go by the same user name-no problems jump out at you & there was positive feedback(2) that I noticed(could be more-their feedback is like the GBU where you have to search through the threads)
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Ive blacked out names and addresses on the preshipping photo's I posted and my screenshots (not posted yet) where emails and names are present. I think for now its only right and responsible/respectable for me to do so for the parties involved. I hope that's ok, if the mods tell me otherwise Ill disclose....no disrespect Sir.
It's all good, most threads in GBU are.
As I have nothing against OP or the either of the folks involved in the trades, I am probably less biased than most here. As it stands right now the OP misused an acronym leading to a buyer not being content with the quality of the knife; an honest mistake on the seller's part and one that probably won't be replicated. The buyer has acted quite strange by opening a paypal dispute before contacting the buyer and then asking for a partial refund instead of just sending the knife back. I disagree with that tactic and also with the fact that the buyer was not the end user but just a middle man.
The only problem I see with the situation is the middle man's actions; buying for someone else who was refused the sale by the seller, then going to PayPal first instead of resolving with the seller first, and then asking for a partial refund which turns out is the amount the end user had wanted to discounted, which leaves a pretty sour taste in my mouth for sure.
The OP made an honest mistake, the buyer seems to have acted quite poorly and it seems others have had poor dealings in the past with him too.
It took awhile, but it finally clicked, BW!
My brain was dialed in on a different track, & as can happen in written communication, I wasn't following you. ^Very nice of you to spend your time doing this, P! When you start adding all of these facts together, it definitely gives this transaction, some much needed clarity.
^ This has to be one of the more disjointed, hard to follow thread's, due to the change in topic.
^ Damn Craytab, you know some of these sections & rules, better than some preachers know their Scripture!
Man to man, I have to say- I actually respect the "GBU Craytab"...most of the time! :thumbup:
^ Please don't quote this...I might want to edit it later.
One more interesting fact:
I sent the member who initially tried to buy this Custom Scarab (cvuicich), a Visitor's Message yesterday morning, with a link to this thread. He check in after 7 p.m., yet didn't feel the need to respond here & address his personal involvement in this transaction. You'd think he'd be all over this...provided he has nothing to hide...
These two guys knew exactly what they were conspiring to do here, this Scarab was purchased 100% completely premeditated, with a plan in place (IMO)!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/member.php/234592-cvuicich
And the ja2072 guy. He shows up briefly, & then high tails it out of here, accusing us of a witch hunt. Maybe if he stayed around long enough to add some facts to their side, we wouldn't be so suspicious.
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Sorry you got tangled up with those two lowlife con artists.
The amount doesn't matter, it's the principle.
They've cemented the fact that they are both capable of conspiring, and carrying out
fraudulent activities.
I think to play it safe, LNIB is ok, right up until it's been unpackaged.
Which is just an acronym, variable in its use.
The good thing about your initial question, is that it exposed the two unscrupulous buyers.
They can now be put on ignore, so none of us inadvertently deal with them ever again.
A big thanks to the members supporting the folks any of the threads re the frauds & hassles
unfortunately occurring on Blade Forums.
Best of luck in the future Brandoak!
The amount doesn't matter, it's the principle.
They've cemented the fact that they are both capable of conspiring, and carrying out
fraudulent activities.
I think to play it safe, LNIB is ok, right up until it's been unpackaged.
Which is just an acronym, variable in its use.
The good thing about your initial question, is that it exposed the two unscrupulous buyers.
They can now be put on ignore, so none of us inadvertently deal with them ever again.
A big thanks to the members supporting the folks any of the threads re the frauds & hassles
unfortunately occurring on Blade Forums.
Best of luck in the future Brandoak!