What's nice about las Vegas is that when you win you can buy a knife in the city. Bonds House of Cutlery out on W. Sahara Dr. has knives like AG Russell has. Unique, special edition knives. These two shops are great places to get knives. When I win at craps I like to buy something, instead of losing the money back. Knives, mens jewelry, like cufflinks, and gold crosses, are very good. Also, fine food that you can't get back home is a good idea. West of Santa Fe sells William Henry knives too. They sell stuff there like the AG Russell Mens catalogue has. The place for men to get things just for them. I sure like this type of stuff, because it is what is of interest to me.
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What is with A.G. Russel?
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Don't you pay enough for the military?
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#InContextUSMilitarySpendingVersusRestoftheWorld
Neo,
Your actual opinions are always welcome. That is what a discussion forum is for.
Your gratuatious statements regarding your political leanings like the above quote from you are unnecessary and your feeble attempt to hyjack this thread in this manner is also unwanted, IMO.
Go to the political forum and discuss your opinions regarding this county's DOD budget all you like. That's what it is for. But you might try doing your homework first.
Also, I have no problem with this thread by akadave2's. However, I believe that the Good Bad & the Ugly Feedback forum is a place to post your experiences for items purchased, or to inquire about past experiences about other members purchases.
Inquiring about the prices of a dealer is idiotic and not what I believe this forum was intended for, IMO.
This thread would have been much more appropriate in W&C, IMO.
I agree with you:
Inquiring about the prices of a dealer is idiotic and not what I believe this forum was intended for
My post about the DOD budget was indeed unsolicited for.
(I saw just to many posts about the poor troops who happens to be the best equipped of the whole world.)
For that I apologise.
ps: the political forum shouldn't be private
Inquiring about the prices of a dealer is idiotic and not what I believe this forum was intended for
My post about the DOD budget was indeed unsolicited for.
(I saw just to many posts about the poor troops who happens to be the best equipped of the whole world.)
For that I apologise.
ps: the political forum shouldn't be private
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Bonds House of Cutlery is one place I avoid. You talk about high prices ? I have bought there a few times when I needed a last minute gift for a knife bud , but the service ( to me ) doesn't warrant full retail ( Buck Mayo Waimea $270 , Buck Mayo TNT $320 ? ).
I can get those Buck/Mayo 's online for $180 & $210 , which is indeed way better than 20% less.
When I can justify it , I keep the $$ local , but not at Bonds prices , instead I choose to order from AG Russel , Knifeworks or Cumberland ( though there are others now that I have this slipjoint bug
).
I can get those Buck/Mayo 's online for $180 & $210 , which is indeed way better than 20% less.
When I can justify it , I keep the $$ local , but not at Bonds prices , instead I choose to order from AG Russel , Knifeworks or Cumberland ( though there are others now that I have this slipjoint bug
).No harm, no foul.
Political is not private, just restricted to contributing members is all. For .03 cents (USD) per day you can upgrade to basic member status and get to contribute in the Political Forum, get PM privileges, do searches and so much more. Not to mention helping support this great site.
I completely agree with you.. AG has even said as much in several previous posts in here. He is gentlemen, strait shooter and the consummate professional.
Thanks,
Anthony
Well said Anthony... I probably should have reponded to this thread in the beginning but anyway here goes..
The content of the OP is not a complaint OR a positive response about any dealings with A.G., just a personal observation and basically a public slam regarding A.G's pricing structure and business practice. That may not have been how it was intended, but none the less that is how it comes across.
I think it would have been in much better taste if the question had been submitted as a generic without targeting one particular dealer.
A.G is a contributing member of this little community we have here and should not have to defend his pricing publicly or be subjected to being put in an embarrasing and uncomfortable position...
However, if you have had a bad dealing (which I highly doubt) with his company, or any other company, than by all means share it with everyone here. That is the intent of GB&U
As the controller of a company that sells a large variety of items over the internet I know full well how hard it is to keep track of ones own costs, selling price and competitor prices. It does in fact require having one person being responsible for monitoring prices. This function is usually ignored until loyal customers complain.
Here is a few things for people to consider in order to understand pricing structures.
1-Wholesale costs fluctuate depending on volume purchased.
2-Wholesale costs fluctuate over time as well.
3-Determining cost figures is complicated in itself.
4-Mark ups and Mark downs further confuse pricing structures.
Unless you are business inclined You can tun out now.
Lets say you bought a batch of 1,000 knives In January for $10 each. A batch of 500 in march for 12 each. A batch of 2,000 in June for $7 each. A batch or 700 in October for $9 each. They are all the same as the new shipments come in we just add them to whatever inventory we have on hand. Now at the end of Nov we have 600 in left in stock. What should we sell them for? Should we assume we have been selling the oldest units first? The Last units first? Replacement cost? Should we just be averaging the costs and marking up from there? Does the costumer care or is he just price shopping?
This is an example of one inventory item. Now imagine thinking through this for a thousand inventory items.
This then get totally confusing as you start marking prices up and down for various sales and their termination. You might select a category and mark them down 10%. Then do a general price increase of 4% the following month. Then select another category and mark them down 4%. Later pick all the old lines mark them down 15%. The following month you may select one vendor and raise him 20%. ARE YOU CONFUSED YET??? At some point you look at your prices and realize that they are almost arbitrary. They have nothing to with what you paid for them or what your competitors are charging.
People this is the reason why prices fluctuate from one site to another. The bottom line is that you have to shop on an item by item basis. If something looks wrong, don't be afraid to tell you favorite vendor that there is a mistake on their website and ask for a better price.
Ok, the rest of you can tune back in now.
Something all you gentlemen should be aware of is the extreme fluctuation in commodities over the last 12 months. Those commodities prices greatly influence what manufactures pay for raw goods which are then pass on to the costumers. From last Nov 07 to July 08 we saw an average 50% increase in prices. From Nov 07 to Nov 08 we see a 60% decrease. That means in the last three months commodity prices have gone through the floor. I have noticed that while retailers are quick to increase prices and commodities move up, they are slow to decrease them as commodities move down. This is something consumers must diligent about in reminding retailers. A recession are not all that bad. The are a much needed function of a free market system.
The following chart should illuminate how drastic price fluctuations have been in 2008:
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/cfutures.html
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Bonds House of Cutlery is one place I avoid. You talk about high prices ? I have bought there a few times when I needed a last minute gift for a knife bud , but the service ( to me ) doesn't warrant full retail ( Buck Mayo Waimea $270 , Buck Mayo TNT $320 ? ).
I can get those Buck/Mayo 's online for $180 & $210 , which is indeed way better than 20% less.
When I can justify it , I keep the $$ local , but not at Bonds prices , instead I choose to order from AG Russel , Knifeworks or Cumberland ( though there are others now that I have this slipjoint bug
Oh, I agree with you. The reason I do buy there is the fact that I want to convert the casinoes money into merchandise, namely knives. I have done pretty good out there at craps and at blackjack in the past few years. When I win money I "take it off the table". I bought my Al Mar Mini Sere for full retail last year, at $225. I won $350 the previous night, This is a win win situation for me, as I play $50 a hand at blackjack and more when I "split em" and that range at craps, plus. There is always side bets in craps, so you know how you end up putting up around $100 at both these games per hand, or roll. The idea of hitting for a few hundred each day is my strategy. You want the whole pie, it matters not how you get it. I choose to do it piece by piece. I also get Kobe beef for $120/oz at the fine restaurants in the city.
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People who feel the need to tell others they are "living the life" generally aren't.
Yeah, at Caesars, I saw the place and it looked good. We went to a Stage Deli in Caesars and it was very good. You just can't go to every place in a week, but I always file it away for future trips. I like West of Santa Fe, but they said they are moving somewhere. It may still be in Caesars but it may not. They have William Henry knives there. I like the city alot.:thumbup:
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Full Disclosure: I currently work for A.G. Russell Knives having previously worked for Camillus Cutlery Company for 26 years.
Perhaps I can offer a perspective on this that I believe is worthy of your consideration.
At Camillus Cutlery I was responsible for most High Quality Private Label projects (knives made & branded for other Companies). Of all of our Customers, A.G. Russell was unique. His constant push for higher quality & innovation pushed us to improve & rethink our methods. Without A.G. I doubt Camillus would have been capable of producing many of the fine pieces of cutlery we did! Unlike most of our other customers, he did not want the cheapest price; he wanted the Best Knife. Equally unique, he wanted us to profit from the endeavor.
Towards the End, when A.G. realized Camillus was really in trouble, he phoned me and immediately gave me orders totaling an additional $180,000.00 of knives. None of those were new knives, so in essence he was prepared to sit on vast additional inventory to help out an American Knife Manufacturer.
I was also involved in the Western Cutlery knives & Schrade collaborations Camillus made for Wal-Mart. Every year they insisted on a price reduction. Once Wal-Mart knows that they are a sizable portion of your total business, you are in trouble. They dont care if your knives are better than the Chinese ones. They dont care if you go out of business.
A.G. Russells love of the knife industry is what truly sets him apart. He has done more to try to help Cutlery Factories & Custom Knifemakers than any other person I am aware of.
IMHO if everyone follows the OPs logic, then the Wal-Mart philosophy will win.
In that world my friends, we will all be buying our knives at the gas stations.
But hey, we did save a couple of $............
Perhaps I can offer a perspective on this that I believe is worthy of your consideration.
At Camillus Cutlery I was responsible for most High Quality Private Label projects (knives made & branded for other Companies). Of all of our Customers, A.G. Russell was unique. His constant push for higher quality & innovation pushed us to improve & rethink our methods. Without A.G. I doubt Camillus would have been capable of producing many of the fine pieces of cutlery we did! Unlike most of our other customers, he did not want the cheapest price; he wanted the Best Knife. Equally unique, he wanted us to profit from the endeavor.
Towards the End, when A.G. realized Camillus was really in trouble, he phoned me and immediately gave me orders totaling an additional $180,000.00 of knives. None of those were new knives, so in essence he was prepared to sit on vast additional inventory to help out an American Knife Manufacturer.
I was also involved in the Western Cutlery knives & Schrade collaborations Camillus made for Wal-Mart. Every year they insisted on a price reduction. Once Wal-Mart knows that they are a sizable portion of your total business, you are in trouble. They dont care if your knives are better than the Chinese ones. They dont care if you go out of business.
A.G. Russells love of the knife industry is what truly sets him apart. He has done more to try to help Cutlery Factories & Custom Knifemakers than any other person I am aware of.
IMHO if everyone follows the OPs logic, then the Wal-Mart philosophy will win.
In that world my friends, we will all be buying our knives at the gas stations.
But hey, we did save a couple of $............
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Wolfmann,
I amWhat the hell are you eluding too exactly.
OOPs, sorry there sir. I had the wrong name.
Sorry
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I have a feeling that the people that work for A.G. Russell's are paid better and treated better, than most the ones that take your orders and do whatever else at other places. (most of them probably don't even employ hardly anyone)
That is worth a lot IMO.
That is worth a lot IMO.
I agree with this one. I wrote a post the other day, after the customer got trampled to death at Wal Mart in which I said that I wouldn't take some of the stuff they sold at Wal Mart if it was free. I like to keep good people in business, and buy most of my stuff at small shops, family owened restaurants, and locally owned businesses. I like to have good service above all. I always call the people I buy knives from and talk to them on the phone. If they can't have a nice conversation then I don't do business with them. The women at AG Russell are very nice to talk to, and they can get the knife off the shelf and tell you how it is. It makes a differance to me to deal with good people. That is how I like to live my life. What goes around comes around. As far as Wal Mart is concerned, keep buying there, when they own every place to shop, and all you can buy is cheap junk, then there will be nobody else to blame. I would suggest everyone buy a nice AG Russell slipjoint, or one of his beautiful AG Russell brand knives. Now that will give you some bragging right around here. I know I will be buying one of those Bg-42 jack knifes soon.
Thank you for posting that. Learn something new every day.
A.G. earned my respect right there... I don't think Walmart would help like that unless it was profitable for them
The bolded part is my favorite. So true.
I'm going over to A.G.'s site right now to browse the goodies.
mike