What is your dream forging press?

blgoode said:
humm..I am starting to see what Dans saying now....
the downward force still has an upward and a decreased outward force that needs to be delt with. IS that it Dan?

Imagine the press jumping up from the downward force I guess? Just reaching here :D
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:)Brian
not just what I was thinking but I think you're on to it..if you're talking about the last picture?
I could comment more once I know the answer to my question from Mike..
but like I said I'll drop it after that unless I'm asked..I've cause enough blisters I think.. :)
 
But Mike, I got to know, how are you going to support the cup holder? Will you use a bushing for it? And if so, what material is it going to be made from? How about putting it on it's own cly so that it will stay down by the floor out of the way, but you can bring it up to hand level when you need it? These are the truly important questions.
 
Solar powered Peltier cooling for the cupholder would be a nice addition. But then, of course, he'd need a condensation reservoir with a sump pump to drain it. :D
 
R.Rossdeutscher said:
But Mike, I got to know, how are you going to support the cup holder? Will you use a bushing for it? And if so, what material is it going to be made from? How about putting it on it's own cly so that it will stay down by the floor out of the way, but you can bring it up to hand level when you need it? These are the truly important questions.
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I decided to abandon the cup holder idea altogether. Instead im going to hire a Pirate to hold my drink for me every time I use the press. Want a job?:D :) ;)

Its good to hear from you Bob. Could you email me your phone number? I couldnt get it from the message you left me. We need to talk about next Saturday.
 
I have the parts for the ram guide. They are not welded yet, I am going to turn down the round bar to 1.9375" and the collars will be 5" long with a machined ID of 1.9525". Heres some pics of the parts in place. When the guide is finish welded, the collars will be sitting lower than they are in the pictures. The inside and outside of the collars are rounded to help eliminate binding. (I hope)
 
Mike it looks as though you are getting closer to throwing the switch im hoping your guide system will work .
I know I don’t have to tell you this your im sure already know of is when you weld the collars in place that the pipe used will if not carful will tend to warp– place shims at top and bottom spot weld allow to cool before you make long welds heat at welding temps will push and the guides will be crocked place clamps to large ram plate to stop it from twisting till all is welded and cool
before removing shims they may feel as though they are stuck but they will come out
the inside of the slide guide will expand causing a bubble expanded ring inside you may have to rebore the slide ring
if I have told you some thing you know im sorry to have taken your time but I have found welding thight fits you have to take it easy and do a lot of spot welding locking all in proper place
if I maybe help feel free to call sometimes I cant type as easy as I can say it
bowie
 
Bowie when I moved the power unit outside I used some gravel to make a level spot. I threw an old pallet down on the gravel and set the unit on top of it and built the lean too over it. I ran sch. 80 pipe down the wall inside, 90 degrees thru the wall and then short rubber hoses to the power unit hook ups. I have about 4 ft. of standard hose between the piping and the press inside.
Ya gotta work HOT guys, keep the metal plastic. A high pressure press and cold iron material can get you hurt or worse yet - grave yard cold.
 
Dan Gray said:
I sure debated about replying back on this one too Mike..
:(
I've tried to explain myself too many ways now.. and seem to be beating a dead horse.

question remained the same because the answer I guess is for another question...no matter now...

You've said all along, the tubes transfer the load down to the ground ..

This lead me to think you believe the ground would strengthen the press in some way :confused:

yes I can be thick headed at times..and that converts to I don't explain myself well..
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.to straighten it out in my head,,,
...
Mike give me A Yes or No..to this ONE question please .
and I'll be done with it..I promise..

Will the press have less integrity self destruction wise?,

If you take your very same press and place (temporarily) 4- 2" blocks under the ends of the feet, making the press now 2" off the ground..
(I know this sounds stupid Mike, but humor me please...)

,,Will the press now have less integrity self destruction wise? with the blocks or even removable casters under the feet?,
just a Yes or No ..
set this bone head straight..thanks you :)
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,, it was mentioned that a stress program may be a good thing to ck this stuff out ,, I agree 100% it could prove out what I'm trying to point out but
what I'm pointing out is just not being understood fully, I guess :(
I thank you for the time , I've learned some very good things from this.
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.to straighten it out in my head,,,
...

Will the press have less integrity self destruction wise?,

If you take your very same press and place (temporarily) 4- 2" blocks under the ends of the feet, making the press now 2" off the ground..
(I know this sounds stupid Mike, but forgive(< changed) me please...)

,,Will the press now have less integrity, self destruction wise? with the blocks or even removable casters under the feet?,
just a Yes or No ..
..thank you :)
:confused:you mast have missed this post.
just a yes or no..please..and thank you..
 
D an i have no hope to explain Mikes Design nor do i try to out wit him or do i care if he chosen to make a stiff leg under the anvil or spans it from leg to leg its his he ask ways to make a new mouse trap and what one would want in a forging press he not trying to invent the wheel .he is applying principles that he is most comfortable with in his given field .
Training and his understanding of proven methods is im sure what he is most comfortable with -nuff said its one way to build a mouse trap its sound as are other methods if and when you build your press im sure that you will build in what you feel is best for you and your press , i think the point that he is even sharing this information is some what helping even you to know when the time comes or when you plan to purchase that you will have a better understanding of what you would want in yours .
kinda like looking a gift horse in the mouth and bitching about its age its his hes helping others to see what might be done no need to get caught up in a design that will work its built its welded end of story its now going to be part of the press and i see nothing wrong in it myself they are lots of way to build presses as you will find as you look around they all work some better than others but mostly they do the same thing they move hot steel i think its best to move on to encourage him .
Dan im hoping you don’t take offense to this its not ment that way so please understand i mean no disrespect to you or your ideas but i feel this very important to those that want a press and those that will build their own and thank him for the opportunity to strike up a conversation of this type to help educate ill go back to work now

I hope you guys take this as it was intended if not please except my deepest regreats
and over look my poor spelling
Bowie
 
Dang, Michael......this thing is really starting to take shape...looks great!

I'm getting excited just reading about it.

Please, oh please, keep the pics coming....:eek: :o
 
Thanks Bill I was wondering about placing the unit out side or contained in a sound chamber some what like Mike was talking about sound board im have worked with
it does a good job.
I built a movie studio and hade to sound proof the sound room from outside noise it was a good learning experience and it worked fine with 3”of sound absorbing board looked like egg crates with open grain in the board purpose is for sound to be absorbed and not bounce
if the sound in your case coming through the outside or resonating through the lines
do you think if a box of this type was built do you think it would work
bowie
 
Ron Claiborne said:
D an i have no hope to explain Mikes Design nor do i try to out wit him or do i care if he chosen to make a stiff leg under the anvil or spans it from leg to leg its his he ask ways to make a new mouse trap and what one would want in a forging press he not trying to invent the wheel .he is applying principles that he is most comfortable with in his given field .
Training and his understanding of proven methods is im sure what he is most comfortable with -nuff said its one way to build a mouse trap its sound as are other methods if and when you build your press im sure that you will build in what you feel is best for you and your press , i think the point that he is even sharing this information is some what helping even you to know when the time comes or when you plan to purchase that you will have a better understanding of what you would want in yours .
kinda like looking a gift horse in the mouth and bitching about its age its his hes helping others to see what might be done no need to get caught up in a design that will work its built its welded end of story its now going to be part of the press and i see nothing wrong in it myself they are lots of way to build presses as you will find as you look around they all work some better than others but mostly they do the same thing they move hot steel i think its best to move on to encourage him .
Dan im hoping you don’t take offense to this its not ment that way so please understand i mean no disrespect to you or your ideas but i feel this very important to those that want a press and those that will build their own and thank him for the opportunity to trick up a conversation of this type to help educate ill go back to work now

I hope you guys take this as it was intended if not please except my deepest regreats
and over look my poor spelling
Bowie
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Ron
I really do understand your point and it is Mikes thread.
it does pain me to question anyone's points and point of view or readings,

as you say..Mikes input.... is a gift horse.
and Mike has been very generous,
I do think also, all questionable questions be it mine or anyones should be ironed out,
though many here would not do the same as I
we all want to know the facts, even if I'm wrong, I to deserve an answer to a direct question..as anyone would expect I would do for them..
I'm not sure if I can be respected for that here or not..

As I said,,in the last question I asked Mike it would be tha last one, I'd like a one word yes or no to it.
it's asked in a way that it will put to rest the way I think and the way Mike is thinking on ethe subject I asked about, that is all..

because of not being able to put too words in type
I have beat the horse to death yes..trying to get my point across
and by now I don't think the point wants to come across..

I do apologize if asking a question insults Mike in anyway.
as I have said I have learned a lot from this thread and I do thank Mike for that. but if I can't ask questions maybe this isn't the place to be for me.
to make better or add to the better mouse trap lends itself to questions, it's what these forums are about I believe,
if I'm asked a question I'll answer it, it's why I came to these forums in the first place.. to learn a let learn...and to understand.
Mike you are not answering the question as asked and hat is up to you..

I don't mean to put you in a spot if in-deed I have with it..anyway
thanks for your time , it is a great looking press..

Ron thanks for the spanking :D I don't mean anything more than getting understandable info for the layman....
 
Dan as I stated hope I did not offend if a spanking is what you think this was im sorry


I am the guest here ill be more thoughtful of how I conduct my replies


Bowie
 
Dan

I am not avoiding your question, I didnt "miss" your post and you did not "put me on the spot" by asking it. The subject of stress analysis and load transfer cant be summerized by a yes or no answer to one question. Your interpretation of what I meant, ( Your quote "This lead me to think you believe the ground would strengthen the press in some way.") and what I actually said (the load is transfered to the ground) are 2 different things. I never said, meant or implied that the ground would strengthen the press. I tried using simple examples, diagrams and words and you just refuse to believe there is any validity to it whatsoever.

This isnt a question about me not being able to see your point. If your having trouble understanding the concept of Load Transfer, I suggest you do a search on the internet, buy a book or reasearch it any way you want. You have proven that you will not stop harping on this issue untill you get the answer you want.

Your comments about "trying to learn" and how I owe you an answer is a bunch of crap. You showed the intent of all your "questions" when you made this statement. ",, it was mentioned that a stress program may be a good thing to ck this stuff out ,, I agree 100% it could prove out what I'm trying to point out but what I'm pointing out is just not being understood fully, I guess :(" What your saying is if you had a stress program ( its called Finite Element Analysis) you could prove to everyone that you are right and I am wrong. If I dont agree with you that means I dont understand what your saying? Believe what you want to believe but dont put words in my mouth or pretend you know what im talking about because, obviously, you have no idea.

I tried to let it go and hoped that that would be the end of it but you keep posting and demanding a response so here it is. This press design is based on sound engineering principles. The calculations are made, the steel is cut, it is welded and painted. I am not changing it. I have no reason to. If and when you make your own press you are free to make it any way you wish. There is a difference between asking questions to better understand a design concept and being obsessed with proving that concept wrong.
 
and they say Sheet :eek: he's back :eek: :)

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adammichael said:
Dan

I Your interpretation of what I meant, ( Your quote "This lead me to think you believe the ground would strengthen the press in some way.") and what I actually said (the load is transfered to the ground) are 2 different things. .
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yes it lead me to believe that
if that quote from you didn't sound like the ground had something to do with it to the others here too, guys please tell me... :confused:

I'm glad to know it's 2 different things...not what I was looking for but thank you that does help..

as I belive this was a question for all to know and learn by
I didn't ask about the subject of stress analysis and load transfer, though
you say it's needed to explain the yes or no question,
I have no intend to prove Myself, it's either so or not so in the long of it,
no
I'm not putting words into your mouth at least not trying to and it's not intended that way.,,
it's just an opinion of what I perceive as another question from a non-direct answer.

You said way back that you did not want to bore us with the info,
the info I think I'm looking for,, hey bore me...I'm trying to learn something here.. :)
anyway
the last question was what I believe a simple yes or no question,,
with-out reading anything into it, making it just as questionable.

"Would it be more likely (as is) to brake setting on casters if over loaded...?"
you are correct, I do not understand why you can't give a yes or no to it
I'd say No if asked but ??..

. I did not expect you to make any changes, you did say you would make some changes if you did it again
I just asked questions. you appear to be insulted by that
you feel you are right ..and I should except, after all this is your thread.
OK, I do and so be it. I've had my opinion and you yours..enough said from me. I do thank you for your time..

RON!,
in no way do I want you to think I was being sarcastic with you and I know you were not with me.. :)
. ...I see how nice folk like you would see it that way, with out knowing me,,
, there is not much in way of tone in words written here so they can be taken the wrong way, I don't have a way with words as you've seen here so please forgive me..I too have a spelling thing to deal with and hope all will
forgive me for that.
please believe me, it was not intended that way..

I'm a happy go lucky guy most of the time and have fun in these talks
I joke around and if you knew me personally I'm sure you'd enjoy my mechanical back ground in help with things I'm sure, I want to belive that anyway..I'm now 50 and
35 years from the age of 15 rebuilding engines and related things to automotive, diesel to small engine and tool and die making, a mix of many years of hands on mechanics and the latter as a living and profession..
I think we'd have a great time exploring new and old things...I enjoy your opinions as well as Mikes and everyone else's..
I only have questions and opinions..Only..and my ears are always open..

Mike,, you should take me with a grain of salt, But I think you'd rather throw it in my eyes by now right? :)
I will do some reading, Thank you much..
 
Here is what im thinking for the guides. As I stated earlier, I am going to tighten up the fit on the collar and the guide bar. What do you think? Is this to tight? Please see the side view in the bottom right corner. I made the collar 5" long and the clearence is .015" I believe Ron was saying the collars should be longer. Ron, do you think I should go up a few more inches on the collar height and make it 8 or 9" high? I can make longer guide bars if I have to.

Thanks
 
Dan, brother knifemaker, why not just start another thread to discuss this further if you want? There's a couple/several engineers, numerous fabrication welders, and a host of folks who've built stuff here who might get involved if it wasn't part of this thread.

Mike obviously doesn't want to discuss it anymore. IMHO, we should let him get on to other topical considerations like where to put the cupholder, and "does a press REALLY need a GPS and home theater system?". ;) Personally, I am waiting to see what he intends for dieholders and how he'll develop the hydraulic system.

Just my $.02
 
Ron, is this what you meant when you said to lengthen the collars? They are 8" long in this example.
 
fitzo said:
Dan, brother knifemaker, why not just start another thread to discuss this further if you want? There's a couple/several engineers, numerous fabrication welders, and a host of folks who've built stuff here who might get involved if it wasn't part of this thread.

Mike obviously doesn't want to discuss it anymore. IMHO, we should let him get on to other topical considerations like where to put the cupholder, and "does a press REALLY need a GPS and home theater system?". ;) Personally, I am waiting to see what he intends for dieholders and how he'll develop the hydraulic system.

Just my $.02
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I agree Mike :) to it all :D don't forget the fishing platform and trolling motor :D
 
Mike, I think that's what he meant. At least that''s what i got from a conversation with him.

What are those two little tabs on the uprights down by the anvil plate?

Is that a can of Blatz in the holder?? ;)
 
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