What is your dream forging press?

fitzo said:
I'm certainly not Ron but I slept close to his house once! ;) The pump screams louder in direct proportion to the pressure, Mike.
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Excuse my ignorance about pumps, Michael. Does the pump get hot? (im assuming it does) It needs to be in the open air to keep it cool, correct?
 
Mine gets too hot to rest your hand on, Mike. Now you know everything I know about pumps, too. ;)
 
adammichael said:
I already have that on the list.:D Im thinking of making a big one that will hold a 12 pack. And keep it cold.
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Here is the cup (can) holder lasered out of 11 gage mild steel and the 12 pack holder;) :D
 
Mike, I'm going to let you down on this one. I checked, and a six-pack will rest ok on the belly ledge but a 12 falls off....... :(

Sorry, man. I'll deduct it off my fee. :p

BTW, that ain't beer. Pure HoHo's and sody-pop. :D
 
The Electric motor is a 3500 RPM 5 hp the motor makes very little noise but place it to a 11-3 pump it can be noisy the trick is getting it lined up the best that you cam and to make sure that the lovejoy connection have at least 1/4 spacings this will help.
.harmonics play a bigger part than pump noise I have found that insulating with rubber cuts noise down .
The first machine that was built by my friend Jimmy Hyde had the motor and pump mounted to the frame tank was separate from frame it was a 3hp 1700rpm 11gal pump producing 16 tons somewhat nosy but not to the point that it was totally unpleasant to operate .
But this was a concern, after using the press for some time we learned that if we placed wood under the legs it got less noisy , so thinking it was harmonics and to lose noise it needed to be insulated from the frame .
Darren Ellis suggested that placing tank and motor and pump as a separate unit might help –it did and it also made the sound more controllable now the unit is come to the point that its fun to hears .thanks Darren for the suggestion . To make it even quieter I placed rubber at all contact points and placed frame of the power unit on rubber casters even quieter yet .the process continued to progress but also the unit be separate can be placed outside the shop where I think it should be no sound in shop I would like to place a light on the machine just to know when it was on.
.hope this will help you and think about sound

Bowie Damascus free
 
Fitz i thinking someone with a laser could cut this out at a great price i would include them on my machine ,but made some what bigger to hold a insulated cup im thinking of stainless steel so it want rust
if i only had access to a leaser hummmmmmmm
bowie needs a laser
 
Ron Claiborne said:
Fitz i thinking someone with a laser could cut this out at a great price i would include them on my machine ,but made some what bigger to hold a insulated cup im thinking of stainless steel so it want rust
if i only had access to a leaser hummmmmmmm
bowie needs a laser
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I might know someone. How many do you think you would need?
SS might be hard to do because we dont do alot of stainless but mild steel and you could paint it with the press might work. Let me know and i'll see what I can do.
 
i would also like a plug-in and holder for 4' disk grinder i have the vice built in some thing i have found really helpfull is set blocks on dies that do not move
 
I already have that on the list.:D Im thinking of making a big one that will hold a 12 pack. And keep it cold.
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You are right Bowie - I moved my power unit outside under a little shelter I made to keep it out of the rain here. Guys my pump is inside the vessel and immersed in the hydraulic fluid. It is STILL loud and that is why I moved it outside. The pump makes a high pitched noise that was driving me crazy ( I know - short trip and don't take much fuel to get there). Even with the power unit outside the shop I use ear protection when forging. To me the most important of a press is making it with zero give or flex. Any flex in a press frame WILL show in the final work unless you are smart enough to know how much flex you will get at what pressure and compensate for it. Its a LOT easier to just design a rigid no give frame.
 
Hello Bill I agree rigid is important in pattern development ,most that us presses I think the first thing they learn is what they can do and what they cant I like to think they can do what they need to over what they cant ,the hardest thing I think you will agree is to teach them to keep things hot that also includes Dies as will as steel being pressed .
With the power that one has at ones finger tips is some times misleading and its easy to get greedy and keep going when things should be reheated . A press can do lots and very fast as long as its hot even with high tonnage press time to reheat needs to be understood –as your work looses heat the pressure builds in what ever your working with ,most presses have a bottoming out thats when the press is developing all its power and the fluid is running through the bypass valve ,making a different sound prolonged forces at this stage is none productive – I have watched some that will take the press to this point each time it want hurt the press its just they have not learned the limits of there press .I bottom out often but I also know its not going any where .
The press is a very good tool to do a lot of work in a very short time but it’s a machine and should at all times be respected for its power and cold work and hydraulics do not mix
the old blacksmiths saying heats your friend should always apply here
Bill are you running rigid lines into your shop from your tank ?and do you have it mounted solid outside
Bowie
 
Plain ol Bill said:
You are right Bowie - I moved my power unit outside under a little shelter I made to keep it out of the rain here. Guys my pump is inside the vessel and immersed in the hydraulic fluid. It is STILL loud and that is why I moved it outside. The pump makes a high pitched noise that was driving me crazy ( I know - short trip and don't take much fuel to get there). Even with the power unit outside the shop I use ear protection when forging. To me the most important of a press is making it with zero give or flex. Any flex in a press frame WILL show in the final work unless you are smart enough to know how much flex you will get at what pressure and compensate for it. Its a LOT easier to just design a rigid no give frame.
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Has anyone tried enlosing the pump with some type of sound insulation. I have accuired a rather large (6' x 3') piece if 1" thick sound insulation that was used to reduce the sound on a locomotive air conditioner. Does anyone know how much air circulation the pump needs? Could i box around the pum and add sound insulator to the outside of the box? could i wrap the insulation directly on the pump?

I got the cylinder today and have a few parts of the ram done. I should get the 2" guides and the collars tomorrow and I hope to have the whole ram welded by the weekend
 
now thats taking shape! Nice to see that your making progress and squishing steel soon hopefully.
 
Looking good!

You know , it sure would be easy to add some more rigidity to this thing if you were to connect some bracing at the base of the cylinder to the side side braces.

Cant wait to see how it performs.
 
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