What knives do you think are not worth the cost?

i recently started looking at kershaw/zt and benchmade (long time spyderco fan) and I am amazed with what you can get from kershaw. I am starting to think a lot of knives are overpriced based on what kershaw has out. If it is above $150, you are either paying for titanium or paying for nonsense.

If you put your limit at $75, there are a LOT of awesome knives to chose from.
 
Chocula said:
i recently started looking at kershaw/zt and benchmade (long time spyderco fan) and I am amazed with what you can get from kershaw. I am starting to think a lot of knives are overpriced based on what kershaw has out. If it is above $150, you are either paying for titanium or paying for nonsense.

If you put your limit at $75, there are a LOT of awesome knives to chose from.
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Couldn't agree more. I like the looks of a LOT of stuff that Spyderco and Benchmade make. I really really want to buy some and check them out.

But with almost all of them (or at least the ones I'm interested in) being over $100, as soon as I get $50 saved up, I end up buying an awesome Kershaw instead :D
 
Roger999 said:
You do know most stores don't sell at MSRP?
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No!? Realy? ;)

The spyderco Urban sells for $90 at NGK.
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Comparing it to other similar knives, the Urban is I think worth a street price of $60-70. Even at a discounted retail cost of $90-100 they are still, IMO, overpriced. :thumbdn:

The CS Sisu is even worse, as I think that knife is worth around $150 tops which isn't even close to the $230-250 street prices I have seen for this knife.
 
The UKPK, which has been in production longer and is legal to own by more people worldwide, sells for more than the Manix 2, a bigger knife with a modern, upgraded lock, full liners with jimping, and literally twice the material by weight.
 
hardheart said:
The UKPK, which has been in production longer and is legal to own by more people worldwide, sells for more than the Manix 2, a bigger knife with a modern, upgraded lock, full liners with jimping, and literally twice the material by weight.
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Shrug. Worth is a very subjective thing. :cool:

To other people the Urban might be worth the premium price becuase they can not legally own/carry any other Spyderco knives, or becuase they are caught up in the current somewhat fadish popularity of the knife, or simply becuase they place greater value on some feature or features of the Urban than I do.

As I have said, to my the Urban is just on the wrong side of my personal price point. Its a fine knife, and one I would not mind owning. Its just that if I am going to pay $90-100 for a new knife, there are other's I would rather spend the money on which give me more personal bang for the buck.
 
hardheart said:
The UKPK, which has been in production longer and is legal to own by more people worldwide, sells for more than the Manix 2, a bigger knife with a modern, upgraded lock, full liners with jimping, and literally twice the material by weight.
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The UKPK has an integrated spring/backspacer, and a FFG S30V steel blade. That's going to bump the cost up.
 
Josh K said:
The UKPK has an integrated spring/backspacer, and a FFG S30V steel blade. That's going to bump the cost up.
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Wait, I think we got confused and are talking about two different knives. :confused:

The one I was discussing is the Spyderco Urban Slipit which according to the Spyderco catalog has a VG-10 blade and does not indicate anything special about the backspring.

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The only "premium" material on the knife AFAIK are the G-10 handles.

The UKPK (Spydero UK Penknife) is actually a perfect example of why I think the Urban is overpriced. The UKPK and Urban both have the same MSRP ($149.95), yet the UKPK has a larger blade (2.9 vs 2.5 inches) made with a more expensive steel (CPM-S30V vs VG-10). IMO the UKPK is probably worth the $90-100 street price, while the Urban is not.
 
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mdauben said:
Wait, are we talking about two different knives? :confused:

The one I was discussing is the Spyderco Urban Slipit which according to the Spyderco catalog has a VG-10 blade and does not indicate anything special about the backspring.

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The only "premium" material on the knife AFAIK are the G-10 handles.
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Yeah, you were talking about the Urban, I was quoting someone on the UKPK.

In defense of the Urban, it probably copies the integrated backspring and spacer. Also I believe all Seki G-10 models use Spyderco's own special mix of G-10 which they have to ship over, then mill and process, then ship back.
 
Josh, the integrated backspring/spacer is how slippies are built, including the Rough Rider I just got for under $6. That is easier & simpler than a caged BBL. I don't see why the UKPK costs 3 times the S30V Native, unlined G10 vs unlined frn, lockback vs slipjoint, compound grind vs ffg.
 
Everyone is saying Strider. I have a Bunch of their folders and love all. So I'm Biased.

Just curious, How Much for a block of Titanium, then to mill it, then anodize it?

I wonder( Not counting the stock removal hours and grinding) S30V bar stack is, then the man hours of heat treat?

I Love My SMFs.

Emersons ARE Overpriced. Steel is too soft. but quite simply, I cannot find Anything resembling a CQC-15 or Commander from anywhere besides Emerson. BUT internet price I DO NOT Pay. I get mine at Gunshows for 80-100. Striders for 300 Sebs for 250-275.

Gotta shop around.

Nice thing about Striders and Sebs. MSRP is 400 (or 475 for SMF/SNG Variants) And Thats Still the sale price on Ebay, and trade price on here. they hold the Value. and at least they are made in the USA.
 
Personally, I think they're ALL too damned expensive, which is why I buy most of mine used, on the forums...

One example: I bought a Crawford Kasper ti framelock with Spydie hole used for $400. This is a monster folder, with twin titanium slabs, hand-drilled, with a 4 inch satin finished S30V blade with swedge. OK, the knife was used but hardly. Oh yes, and its a custom, made by one of the most respected knifemakers in the biz.

A new Strider SNG will cost you the same amount of money. That's just silly.

With the amount of used cutlery floating around, there is really no need to buy new. With a little patience, the right knife will come along sooner or later.

And when you do absolutely have to buy a new one, well, with the $$$ you have saved buying used, it won't be nearly so bad. ;)
 
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So I guess I'm saying, For instance if I asked makers or modifiers on here to make me a Ti Frame lock for My CQC-7, then asked another to make an orange G10 scale for the other side and another to make me an S30V Flat ground Tanto that would Fit and was properly heat treated, what would the average end cost be?
 
One example: I bought a Crawford Kasper ti framelock with Spydie hole used for $400. This is a monster folder, with twin titanium slabs, hand-drilled, with a 4 inch satin finished S30V blade with swedge. OK, the knife was used but hardly. Oh yes, and its a custom, made by one of the most respected knifemakers in the biz.
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That's the score. Aren't those about 600 or more?
 
One example: I bought a Crawford Kasper ti framelock with Spydie hole used for $400. This is a monster folder, with twin titanium slabs, hand-drilled, with a 4 inch satin finished S30V blade with swedge. OK, the knife was used but hardly. Oh yes, and its a custom, made by one of the most respected knifemakers in the biz.
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That's the score. Aren't those about 600 or more?
 
Yes, it was a good deal, without a doubt. There are many great deals to be had here on the Exchange. I see knives going for prices that make my hair stand on end. I wish I could buy 'em all!
 
Sputnic said:
Just curious, How Much for a block of Titanium, then to mill it, then anodize it?

I wonder( Not counting the stock removal hours and grinding) S30V bar stack is, then the man hours of heat treat?
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I would look into ZT, Kershaw, BM, Spyderco, Buck, CRK, etc, etc. since they make S30V Ti framelocks.
 
hardheart said:
Josh, the integrated backspring/spacer is how slippies are built, including the Rough Rider I just got for under $6. That is easier & simpler than a caged BBL. I don't see why the UKPK costs 3 times the S30V Native, unlined G10 vs unlined frn, lockback vs slipjoint, compound grind vs ffg.
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Is it? I must have thought that other slips operated like a back lock that didn't lock. :o

You have the Native which is pinned, FRN molded, and hollow ground compared to a FFG (belts, more steps), screwed (not pinned, closer tolerances), G-10 (more expensive then FRN) UKPK.

Compared to the Manix, it's only about $30 more for a FFG S30V slicer. I don't think the prices are that off.

IIRC Sal said that Spyderco operates off of a fixed profit margin, with a few knives (Native being one of them) exempt so that they are less costly for the end user.
 
I can see where there would be cost differences in manufacture, I just can't justify paying for the end product when it doesn't seem to differentiate itself enough imo. The knives cost what they cost, I just don't feel like paying it. all good.
 
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