Whats going on Spyderco?

Artificial scarcity is a scam to me. If a knife sells out that fast, make more. End of story. No one should be left in the cold. These arn't funko pops, these are knives.

I understand not wanting to make massive amounts on certain new designs, but if that new design is sold that quick, and there is still demand, don't fold to the " don't make more so only i have it and it raises in value" crowd, simply make more so that who ever wants one, gets one.

But I do think Spyderco makes more, they just sell again very fast, but as long as they keep selling, keep makin em!
 
slyraven said:
Artificial scarcity is a scam to me. If a knife sells out that fast, make more. End of story. No one should be left in the cold. These arn't funko pops, these are knives.
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If they interrupt their current production schedule they just might run into issues. Might not have the right materials on hand. Might be shorting or delaying distributors of promised products, leaving them and their customers out in the cold.
 
Cscotttsss said:
Agreed, while it's a little too big for anything I'll ever use it for if you like big blades the Chief will satisfy.



Yes, still making it, just OOS everywhere until the next run.
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The heart wants what the heart wants. I seldom carry anything over 3-3.5" in blade length but loves me some Military, Police, ProTech TR-4, CS Twistmaster, etc. There's just something about a big honkin' knife.
 
marcinek said:
Exactly! If you cant get Krispy Kremes when the "Hot Donuts Now" light is on, it isn't Krispy Kremes' fault.

Sheesh.
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That depends, is Krispy Kreme making plenty, knowing the demand it will have? How fast can they make more? Is the buyer willing to wait?

Its kind of not the same thing anyways, because a buyer may not get the donut right then and there, but they can easily come back the next day to get one.
 
ScooterG said:
If they interrupt their current production schedule they just might run into issues. Might not have the right materials on hand. Might be shorting or delaying distributors of promised products, leaving them and their customers out in the cold.
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That's a valid point
 
slyraven said:
Artificial scarcity is a scam to me. If a knife sells out that fast, make more. End of story. No one should be left in the cold. These arn't funko pops, these are knives.

I understand not wanting to make massive amounts on certain new designs, but if that new design is sold that quick, and there is still demand, don't fold to the " don't make more so only i have it and it raises in value" crowd, simply make more so that who ever wants one, gets one.

But I do think Spyderco makes more, they just sell again very fast, but as long as they keep selling, keep makin em!
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And to add to what scooter said, spyderco doesn't have unlimited production capacity. They make other knives that sell even better. They aren't just going to dump those lines to make a few first production lines that could be hit or miss.

Like I pointed out before, this happened with the popularity of the pm2. It took a while for spyderco to catch up to demand, including expanding their Golden production facilities if I remember correct.

It's not like they can just hit a "make more" button. There are major logistics to consider, that we aren't privy to.
 
slyraven said:
That depends, is Krispy Kreme making plenty, knowing the demand it will have? How fast can they make more? Is the buyer willing to wait?

Its kind of not the same thing anyways, because a buyer may not get the donut right then and there, but they can easily come back the next day to get one.
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Just like with a knife. Didn't get knife X you wanted today? Buy a different one. Get on on the Exchange. Find a flipper.

If you must have Malibu Stacy with the new hat, you can get it if you want it bad enough.

That said, I have heard, there are many, many, manufacturers and individual makers making all sorts of knives all out there for folks to buy. It might be just a rumor.
 
Very often increasing capacity requires clearing logistical hurdles that may or may not be feasible for a business. There's a lot of moving parts behind the scenes that influence these kinds of decisions and without an intimate knowledge of the details we can't make a fair assessment of why things are going as they are. Spyderco knows the knife business and I'm sure they're doing the best they can to supply their products at reasonable quantities at the best price they can. They're one of the most ethical and mindful companies in the industry.
 
This thread reminds me of a former forum member. He fortunately got canned and was banned for a reason. Between several lies about his service record and ridiculous claims about how he used to have 'a 1000 men in his telescopic sight in the desert,' bodog embarked on a crusade against Spyderco. It was really kind of pathological.
His MO was exactly the same. First the backhanded compliment in order to legitimize the thread:: "Spyderco has always been one of my favorite companies. Have many of their knives, sharpmaker, etc."
Then outlandish statements grabbed out of thin air: "it seems all the new and innovative knives they make are in such low supply they are gone the day they are released, have some huge production flaw, or both."
Again, Spyderco isnt perfect but these broad sweeping and erroneous statements against a respected knifemaker has a certain whiff about it and is quite frankly distasteful.
Im out of this one.
 
marcinek said:
Just like with a knife. Didn't get knife X you wanted today? Buy a different one. Get on on the Exchange. Find a flipper.

If you must have Malibu Stacy with the new hat, you can get it if you want it bad enough.

That said, I have heard, there are many, many, manufacturers and individual makers making all sorts of knives all out there for folks to buy. It might be just a rumor.
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Well, the krispy kreme is still a krispy creme the next day..not a dunkins.

Id never buy from a flipper, i pay retail and retail only. I'm with you though, id rather just find another knife, they all do the same thing and there is probably one similar enough to any other knife out there.
 
To be clear, Spyderco is perhaps the best-run knife company on the planet. They have implemented supply chain principles so effectively that they, on the outside, are a smoothly-running machine. They can’t foresee long term usage issues that may arise. The solution? Implement CQI and alter every batch to ensure the problem isn’t carried forward. As for their stock, you can’t expect them to stock endless backfill. Excess stock is very bad for a company. They stock prospective purchases then minimal backfill because that’s a component of an effective supply chain.
 
slyraven said:
Well, the krispy kreme is still a krispy creme the next day..not a dunkins.

Id never buy from a flipper, i pay retail and retail only. I'm with you though, id rather just find another knife, they all do the same thing and there is probably one similar enough to any other knife out there.
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I'm with you! There are too many great knives in the world to go through the hassle, and there is not enough time to buy them to come here and complain.

Buy a puukko, buy a machete, buy a knife from Theirs, buy something from a maker here, etc etc etc.

Though, I don't know what your take on Krispy Kreme is. I'm an "old fashioned cake donut" kinda guy, so no go on the Kremes for me.
 
marcinek said:
Just like with a knife. Didn't get knife X you wanted today? Buy a different one. Get on on the Exchange. Find a flipper.

If you must have Malibu Stacy with the new hat, you can get it if you want it bad enough.

That said, I have heard, there are many, many, manufacturers and individual makers making all sorts of knives all out there for folks to buy. It might be just a rumor.
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I giess you just dont get as into knives as some.
BladeScout said:
This thread reminds me of a former forum member. He fortunately got canned and was banned for a reason. Between several lies about his service record and ridiculous claims about how he used to have 'a 1000 men in his telescopic sight in the desert,' bodog embarked on a crusade against Spyderco. It was really kind of pathological.
His MO was exactly the same. First the backhanded compliment in order to legitimize the thread:: "Spyderco has always been one of my favorite companies. Have many of their knives, sharpmaker, etc."
Then outlandish statements grabbed out of thin air: "it seems all the new and innovative knives they make are in such low supply they are gone the day they are released, have some huge production flaw, or both."
Again, Spyderco isnt perfect but these broad sweeping and erroneous statements against a respected knifemaker has a certain whiff about it and is quite frankly distasteful.
Im out of this one.
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Wow. All i did was post my opinion on some of knife stuff. Some folks are easily tweaked. Lol.
 
Spyderco is awesome. They make great knives and are great people. They're not going to take a huge chance on new models, but will probably up production if a model warrants it, like they did with the PM2.

I had to ask at the spyderco forum when more amalgams were going to come in. Thankfully another member gave me info on a shop in Birmingham, Al that had 3, and I got one. Best knife ever imo. I hope they make more, because I'll probably pick up a 2nd later on.

Just be patient and give them time. I'm still holding out hope they make a less expensive drunken, or a similar design. I just can't bring myself to pay 400 bucks for a knife. Although I did go over my limit with my 0470, but only by 20 bucks!
 
BenchCo Spydermade said:
I giess you just dont get as into knives as some.
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No, I don't get into one brand or model as much as some.

My knife interests are more varied.

Also, I don't just expect to get whatever I want whenever I want it.

Having broader knife interests saves me from the disappointment and angst you seem to be experiencing.

Broaden your horizons! Lot of fish in the sea.
 
Is anyone intimately familiar with spyderco's production capability and views on scaling that up?

So many ways to interpret this sorta problem.

They could be going the toy maker/collectibles route of just doing sprint runs that are bought out day one by resellers and collectors....I have made some money off these sorts of strategies. The most famous being nintendo. Not giong to rule the world that way but the scarcity ensures no matter how ridiculous the product they'll sell (and probably resell for double on the secondary market)

Or they could just see expanding production as too risky or not feasible for whatever reason. Hard to pin them with bad intentions the same way you would most collectibles makers who are clearly not even attempting to meet demand.

Unless you know for sure they're not attempting to meet demand sorta just have to accept it placidly.

edit - not that whining is gonna change their ideas on it if they were....But it might
 
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And since you asked what are the blatant production flaws, Ill repeat, exposed blade on the tropen and the Ikuchi stabbing folks when closed. If you find calling those production flaws a problem, you may be a bit biased and defensive. But continue with your case prosecutor :)
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Very often increasing capacity requires clearing logistical hurdles that may or may not be feasible for a business. There's a lot of moving parts behind the scenes that influence these kinds of decisions and without an intimate knowledge of the details we can't make a fair assessment of why things are going as they are. Spyderco knows the knife business and I'm sure they're doing the best they can to supply their products at reasonable quantities at the best price they can. They're one of the most ethical and mindful companies in the industry.
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This. And there's also the issue of initial demand vs continuing demand. For loads of highly anticipated products initial demand is extremely high, but it will almost assuredly taper down to a fraction within a few months. If you devote the resources to ramping up production just to meet that initial surge you'll likely find you overcommitted and can easily take a loss when the furor dies down. Much better to produce it within your means and keep it a hot item flying off the shelves and only expand when company growth dictates that you do.
 
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