What's your latest Schrade? END DATE 8/12

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G'day Dave....my first test is my nose cos I can almost smell gold mate...!...I need to see more close up photos of the liners thats the best way to see if gold filled or solid gold or indeed gold plate.The weight is a good guide as well...very similar to Cut Co #8729 Gold shac...I'm presuming the third blade is a nail file?..and not the manicure spike file...Catalog E "Oval lobster with shackle 2 9/16" long, 3 blades brass lined cleaned inside, blades full crocus polished 1/20=10 carat GOLD FILLED HANDLE....
Have you ever actually undressed these old gold knives and I dont mean the gold plated like the Walden hidden key knife <no weight to it at all>..I buy these old Miller Bros early 1900's and they're 10K and I just flick off the gold cover dead easy..I have a small pile of them I will give to my daughter have something made by a Jeweller...they are quite weighty ..just the bare cover that wraps over the edge.... in relation to the total weight of the small knife.
The Distinguished Gentleman and the gold Calendar are something else again being solid gold covers to the skeleton but thick gold....and very weighty..
Your photos have me a bit puzzled..why is there no cut out for the nail nick on the blade yet one for the nail file?....I need more photos close up and personal as Bernard would say...when Bernard authenticated that the Calendar knife had never been rebladed from original and was original to the case..he practically hopped inside the knife with the photos he required...Hoo Roo
 
Dave, you could post this "gold" knife in the BRL forum to authenticate that it is all original as well as answer the "gold" question. Schrade Cut. Co. stamp looks suspicious to me, but my track record on correct assesment of oldies is less than 50%.
roland
 
I couldn't find it in the old catalogs either, possibly it was a contract knife. Many of the old fob knives were. I remember reading someplace that at times covers were supplied by other sources, but I'm not sure how that worked.

Eric
 
Larry303 said:
G'day Dave....my first test is my nose cos I can almost smell gold mate...!...I need to see more close up photos of the liners thats the best way to see if gold filled or solid gold or indeed gold plate.The weight is a good guide as well...very similar to Cut Co #8729 Gold shac...I'm presuming the third blade is a nail file?..and not the manicure spike file...Catalog E "Oval lobster with shackle 2 9/16" long, 3 blades brass lined cleaned inside, blades full crocus polished 1/20=10 carat GOLD FILLED HANDLE....
Have you ever actually undressed these old gold knives and I dont mean the gold plated like the Walden hidden key knife <no weight to it at all>..I buy these old Miller Bros early 1900's and they're 10K and I just flick off the gold cover dead easy..I have a small pile of them I will give to my daughter have something made by a Jeweller...they are quite weighty ..just the bare cover that wraps over the edge.... in relation to the total weight of the small knife.
The Distinguished Gentleman and the gold Calendar are something else again being solid gold covers to the skeleton but thick gold....and very weighty..
Your photos have me a bit puzzled..why is there no cut out for the nail nick on the blade yet one for the nail file?....I need more photos close up and personal as Bernard would say...when Bernard authenticated that the Calendar knife had never been rebladed from original and was original to the case..he practically hopped inside the knife with the photos he required...Hoo Roo
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Thanks, Larry. The knife weighs 19 grams and appears to be 2 and 9/16" long too. There is a cut out for the file but the cut-outs are on opposite edges. 1st pic shows knife right-side-up with cut-out for file at bottom on one handle. 2nd pic show side with different cut-out for the two blades on other handle. There is only one cut-out per handle and they are on opposite edges. That's why you are only seeing one at a time. I believe the gold knives like the 8729 in the 1936 supplement made by Schrade at this time were stamped (and I think it was by law) "1/20 10KT GF" if gold filled. ( http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schrade-cut-company-gold-pocketknife-pocket) Here's a pic showing this on another knife:
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I will did deeper but Scrade Cut Co. Knives I have seen so far all say GF on loop if filled. I will take a full series of pics when I get it and we can take a better look. I will also take it to a jeweller or three. That's probably my best bet. Keep the guesses coming. It's all great food for thought.
 
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Dave, Larry may be right about it being the 8729, it's the only one that comes close to matching. Yours may have been made smooth without the decorative grooves. It's probably not as thin as it appears in the photos. Remember, you have two sets of blades that have to seat opposite each other, with a spring between them. This takes up a bit of room. The length definitely seems to match as well.

Eric
 
ea42 said:
Dave, Larry may be right about it being the 8729, it's the only one that comes close to matching. Yours may have been made smooth without the decorative grooves. It's probably not as thin as it appears in the photos. Remember, you have two sets of blades that have to seat opposite each other, with a spring between them. This takes up a bit of room. The length definitely seems to match as well.

Eric
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I agree that it's the closest so far but we are missing 6 years of catalogues from 1941 to 1946 and that's a long stretch. Also 4 only from 1930s so that's 12 years of catalogues we don't check plus SFOs. That's plenty to have other models in. It most def is smooth not profiled like the 8729. Keep the guesses and comments coming and when I get it I will fill you in on what jewellers say.
 
rprocter said:
Dave, you could post this "gold" knife in the BRL forum to authenticate that it is all original as well as answer the "gold" question. Schrade Cut. Co. stamp looks suspicious to me, but my track record on correct assesment of oldies is less than 50%.
roland
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What's the "BRL" forum? As far as tang stamp it matches what's on Larry303s gold perpetual calender knife and a bunch of others I checked it against. I have no fears it is a fake. Only wondering solid or gold filled.
 
More examples: So far it kinda appears that if gold filled then stamp would read "V20 10K GF" or something like that. There are laws regarding this stuff but laws change over the years too.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schrade-cut-company-gold-pocketknife-pocket
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schrade-cutlery-co-14k-gold-1945-dated-pocketknife
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/beautiful-14-k-schrade-gold-dress-two-blade-pen
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schrade-walden-10-karat-gold-senators-knife-pre-1972

Has anyone actually held an 8729? Does it have "10K" only on loop or is there "GF" there too?
 
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rprocter said:
Dave it's Bernard Levine's subforum here on BF. i read nearly every post in it and have done so for over 2 years. regular attendance is equivalent to a university level, in depth, knife education.
being a Schrader does not mean that you can't have 1000's of other knives as well.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=691
kootenai rolando
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Just thousands? You gotta aim higher Roland, I'm kinda disappointed lol. Thanks!!!
 
here is a 3 5/8" Schrade Cut. Co. Equal End Jack. not particularly attractive and no shield, but a good deal at $20 as the walk/talk is v. good.

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i think the handles are composition, not bone ? and did Schrade Cut. Co. have an "economy line", of which this is an example ?
hoping the "old guys" will set me straight on this one, roland
 
Kinda looks like 2173 and 2193 from 1926 catalogue . Strange thing to me is it's lack of shield. Everything similar in catalogues seems to have shield on them. In this type of knife I see only bone and coloured celluloid handle options. My guess is real bone. Imperial was big into fake-stag at this point though so maybe that's possible too. Wish I could be of more help but I will keep your knife in mind as I surf the on-line info.
 
Always nice to see a Herman Williams Schrade custom! The Stag is real knarly looking, very nice find!!


Bought these Three on a very small buy it now, which would not of even paid for half an 858. c/w last price tags they were on sale for.

The price was low due to the discoloration of the Delrin at each end of the handles. I have seen this before and I think the show case was probably in a shop window allowing the white build up on the handles. As I mentioned I have seen this before and I know the white powder like substance can be removed, with either a finger nail or a non scratch dish pad, then rubbed with a cloth to bring the original color back. Question is....Do I clean them up or leave them as they are? all the knives have carbon steel blades, which in the case of the 858 is a good find!

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Schrade 194OT with "Compliments of Schrade Cutlery 1984" blade etch, these were given out to knife dealers as per the description on the paperwork.

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Nice Rusty. I like the special shield on the 194OT too. Kind of lights up the whole handle. :thumbup:
 
I wish I could stumble on a buy it now like that! I must not be livin' right? I would consider taking the white off as "cleaning". If they were mine I would, but that's just me.

Chuck
 
tongueriver: great stag! I think stag is my favorite looks-wise: timeless and classy H.W. does do very nice work.

Rusty1: To clean or not to clean? I think it all depends on what you want to do with them. If hiding them away so they can increase in value and then be sold is your aim then just something to keep joints loose and rust off them is all you need to do. Lots of collectors like uncleaned knives as collectibles so cleaning them up may decrease their value to some. If you are like me and they are to be used or to be put on display and hopefully never sold then follow your heart. I clean mine when I get them unless they are "investment pieces". Then I leave patinas on brass etc. I carefully and gently clean mine in hot soapy water and then drive out all the moisture with repeated applications of WD-40. Once they are dry and protected by the WD-40 I polish bolsters, springs etc with brasso if I think it needs it and then oil them before I display them. I then lightly polish them every other day or so with a soft non-scratch polishing cloth to keep grime off. I re-oil the joints and springs at least once a year even if they havent been touched. I like mine to stay forever-new and my little routine ensures that. Some people like their old knives to look "vintage" and show their age. I don't. I like the time-machine effect as if I reached into the past and plucked these 25 to 70 year old knives off the shelf but a moment ago. Many collectors would disagree perhaps but I think that's mainly about retaining maximum resale value. I don't really care. Keep that in mind when reading my advice but as-new knives fetch pretty good coin too so maybe we are all right. Personal choice I think. They're your knives...
 
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