When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

[JAF1973]

Right, but you'll notice that SOC_Monke didn't criticize Hoback simply for being religious, he said that someone in a position that has nothing to do with religion leading with religion is offputting and a red flag for nonsense. Which is very accurate to the Hoback situation. It's not an attack on sincerely religious people to point out the red flag of hucksterdom when we recognize them.

A guy who sells knives choosing to reference Bible verses on his product and lead his public apologies not with humility but with an arrogant claim to personally represent God is obviously a huckster and the religious act is what it is. He might even be a very misguided but sincere Christian in his own mind, none of us can really know the truth of that besides Jake, 3D_Anchor or whoever he is. It is undeniable that his public behavior and his tendency to wrap himself in the Bible to deflect criticism is not in keeping with accepted Christian ideals and teachings. It is undeniable that if a man selling high priced goods immediately starts talking about Jesus and his own immensely good character and devout faith when asked about the origin of his inventory, it's not an attack on religious people to point out that only a crook would praise the Lord with his mouth while peeling off the 'Made in China' stickers under the table and waving an American flag in your face.

You guys have to stop being so defensive of your faiths that you feel compelled to continuously claim that calling a snake a snake is actually an assault on the neighboring duck community. When we say Hoback waving a Bible around is a red flag, it's because there's no conceivable reason to act like that unless you're trying to distract people from something they wouldn't appreciate, like that you're robbing their grandma or selling counterfeit 'Made in America' knives. Yes they're counterfeit, because he misrepresented their origin and what they are. You can't pretend a knife is made in your small scale workshop when you ordered it from another manufacturer, only knives he actually made are genuine.

So like his faith, yeah I guess maybe it's genuine, who could possibly know, and what does it matter anyway? It's his weird 'I represent God and it's high time these allegations cease' statements that made these comments relevant. Nobody just found some casual reference to Christianity by him and freaked out, it's literally his first instinct when called to account for committing large scale fraud. It will continue to be relevant until the conversation is about someone who never tried to hide behind worship when caught being a thieving fucko.

That was beautiful and one of the best replies I have ever read in my life.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Why can I hear this gif?

 

[Quiet]

Right, but you'll notice that SOC_Monke didn't criticize Hoback simply for being religious, he said that someone in a position that has nothing to do with religion leading with religion is offputting and a red flag for nonsense. Which is very accurate to the Hoback situation. It's not an attack on sincerely religious people to point out the red flag of hucksterdom when we recognize them.

A guy who sells knives choosing to reference Bible verses on his product and lead his public apologies not with humility but with an arrogant claim to personally represent God is obviously a huckster and the religious act is what it is. He might even be a very misguided but sincere Christian in his own mind, none of us can really know the truth of that besides Jake, 3D_Anchor or whoever he is. It is undeniable that his public behavior and his tendency to wrap himself in the Bible to deflect criticism is not in keeping with accepted Christian ideals and teachings. It is undeniable that if a man selling high priced goods immediately starts talking about Jesus and his own immensely good character and devout faith when asked about the origin of his inventory, it's not an attack on religious people to point out that only a crook would praise the Lord with his mouth while peeling off the 'Made in China' stickers under the table and waving an American flag in your face.

You guys have to stop being so defensive of your faiths that you feel compelled to continuously claim that calling a snake a snake is actually an assault on the neighboring duck community. When we say Hoback waving a Bible around is a red flag, it's because there's no conceivable reason to act like that unless you're trying to distract people from something they wouldn't appreciate, like that you're robbing their grandma or selling counterfeit 'Made in America' knives. Yes they're counterfeit, because he misrepresented their origin and what they are. You can't pretend a knife is made in your small scale workshop when you ordered it from another manufacturer, only knives he actually made are genuine.

So like his faith, yeah I guess maybe it's genuine, who could possibly know, and what does it matter anyway? It's his weird 'I represent God and it's high time these allegations cease' statements that made these comments relevant. Nobody just found some casual reference to Christianity by him and freaked out, it's literally his first instinct when called to account for committing large scale fraud. It will continue to be relevant until the conversation is about someone who never tried to hide behind worship when caught being a thieving fucko.

Dag, laying down that HEAVY truth.

 

[SimplyMinded]

1. Get up, put on "armor of G*d" necklace pendant, Crusaders T shirt.
2. Get to shop, start "proud to be an American" on muzak, endless loop.
3. Lead workforce in pledge of Allegiance.
4. check outgoing orders
5. open incoming order from Shangzou

 

[Dadpool]

1. Get up, put on "armor of G*d" necklace pendant, Crusaders T shirt.
2. Get sto shop, start "proud to be an American" on muzak, endless loop.
3. Lead workforce in pledge of Allegiance.
4. check outgoing orders
5. open incoming order from Shangzou

Don't forget to block time to take some promo stills/video of you grinding a knife for the website.

 

[Quiet]

1. Get up, put on "armor of G*d" necklace pendant, Crusaders T shirt.
2. Get sto shop, start "proud to be an American" on muzak, endless loop.
3. Lead workforce in pledge of Allegiance.
4. check outgoing orders
5. open incoming order from Shangzou

You know, given how many big dealers carry Hoback knives, maybe that's what he's got all his employees doing all day: processing orders from overseas. And by "processing orders", I mean, getting his shipments from China, where they then check each knife and remove all identification about their origin before packing them back up and shipping them on to dealers.

 

[ncrockclimb]

Is Lyin' China Jake going to be at Blade?

 

[jbmonkey]

Is Lyin' China Jake going to be at Blade?

if he does, guess we'll see videos of what happens......

bet this time when asked if everything is made here in usa, he won't say "yep".......

 

[353]

I cant help thinking of all the knife enthusiasts that don't read forums.

They probably still buy his knives believing they are all US made.

 

[toker]

I cant help thinking of all the knife enthusiasts that don't read forums.

This story is all over gun forums too.

 

[Grayman1984]

I’m new here so maybe I’m missing the joke, but are you seriously suggesting that there is some kind of relationship between knife making/marketing and your superstitious believes?

You are obviously new here.

I haven’t read all the way through so I don’t know if anyone has addressed you yet, but this discussion shouldn’t be construed as an opportunity to trash any other member’s religious beliefs. I find it frustrating and disappointing that Mr. Hoback is using scripture as a shield against his shady business practices, but getting on here and badgering others because they believe something you don’t is unacceptable. You can take that back to Reddit or Facebook, or wherever it is you came from.

 

[scarysamcary]

I haven’t read all the way through

you should at least read the most recent page or two. This has been addressed ad nauseum.

 

[craytab]

1. Get up, put on "armor of G*d" necklace pendant, Crusaders T shirt.
2. Get to shop, start "proud to be an American" on muzak, endless loop.
3. Lead workforce in pledge of Allegiance.
4. check outgoing orders
5. open incoming order from Shangzou

6. Profit.

 

[NG VI]

I cant help thinking of all the knife enthusiasts that don't read forums.

They probably still buy his knives believing they are all US made.

Yeah he'll wanna wear a body camera and maybe some kind of helmet if he goes to Blade this year

 

[photoman12001]

I cant help thinking of all the knife enthusiasts that don't read forums.

They probably still buy his knives believing they are all US made.

I wonder how well this information has filtered through the Facebook groups. I had a guy argue with me a few days ago saying Hoback stuff is made in the US, except maybe screws. I don’t think he even looked at the link to this thread. I’d guess a lot of the information has been removed there. I know it has in the Hoback specific group.

 

[ncrockclimb]

Someone really needs to give an update from Blade Dallas...

 

[Grayman1984]

If I’ve learned anything from this thread, it’s which members here I WON’T be dealing with on the exchange, seeing that professional honesty and integrity mean so little to them.

Or maybe they’re just angry because they watched their precious pocket jewels turn into worthless paperweights over the last few days.

 

[SimplyMinded]

I wonder how well this information has filtered through the Facebook groups. I had a guy argue with me a few days ago saying Hoback stuff is made in the US, except maybe screws. I don’t think he even looked at the link to this thread. I’d guess a lot of the information has been removed there. I know it has in the Hoback specific group.

Word is definitely getting out. Bushcrafters USA has a thread on Hobacks and the word is out there. I'm sure it's not the only group.

 

[HopalongCassidy]

I wonder how well this information has filtered through the Facebook groups. I had a guy argue with me a few days ago saying Hoback stuff is made in the US, except maybe screws. I don’t think he even looked at the link to this thread. I’d guess a lot of the information has been removed there. I know it has in the Hoback specific group.

Just like the Hunter Biden laptop, those Hoback FB groups think this is Russian disinformation. lol

 

[Dimashkieh]

Right, but you'll notice that SOC_Monke didn't criticize Hoback simply for being religious, he said that someone in a position that has nothing to do with religion leading with religion is offputting and a red flag for nonsense. Which is very accurate to the Hoback situation. It's not an attack on sincerely religious people to point out the red flag of hucksterdom when we recognize them.

A guy who sells knives choosing to reference Bible verses on his product and lead his public apologies not with humility but with an arrogant claim to personally represent God is obviously a huckster and the religious act is what it is. He might even be a very misguided but sincere Christian in his own mind, none of us can really know the truth of that besides Jake, 3D_Anchor or whoever he is. It is undeniable that his public behavior and his tendency to wrap himself in the Bible to deflect criticism is not in keeping with accepted Christian ideals and teachings. It is undeniable that if a man selling high priced goods immediately starts talking about Jesus and his own immensely good character and devout faith when asked about the origin of his inventory, it's not an attack on religious people to point out that only a crook would praise the Lord with his mouth while peeling off the 'Made in China' stickers under the table and waving an American flag in your face.

You guys have to stop being so defensive of your faiths that you feel compelled to continuously claim that calling a snake a snake is actually an assault on the neighboring duck community. When we say Hoback waving a Bible around is a red flag, it's because there's no conceivable reason to act like that unless you're trying to distract people from something they wouldn't appreciate, like that you're robbing their grandma or selling counterfeit 'Made in America' knives. Yes they're counterfeit, because he misrepresented their origin and what they are. You can't pretend a knife is made in your small scale workshop when you ordered it from another manufacturer, only knives he actually made are genuine.

So like his faith, yeah I guess maybe it's genuine, who could possibly know, and what does it matter anyway? It's his weird 'I represent God and it's high time these allegations cease' statements that made these comments relevant. Nobody just found some casual reference to Christianity by him and freaked out, it's literally his first instinct when called to account for committing large scale fraud. It will continue to be relevant until the conversation is about someone who never tried to hide behind worship when caught being a thieving fucko.

Amen to that