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Where Spydercos Fall Short

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Indoril, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. RLDubbya

    RLDubbya HMFIC

    Dec 21, 2016
    Little boys worry about measuring their tools and making comparison charts to prove they measure up.

    Men just use their tools as nature intended, and don't worry about proving their measuring or Excel abilities to the locker room.
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  2. danbot

    danbot Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Haha! Speaking of the graph and the math...

    One thing That got me was that OP stated that 0.5 is his ideal ratio. Well a folder needs to pivot. When you measure a blades cutting edge, the pivoting area is not included. It will be included in the OAL or included in the handle length. So the math just really doesn't work out to begin with!:confused:
  3. Aldebaran


    Sep 18, 2004
    Huh? Flat spot?

    And looks can be deceiving. The clip looks more worn because the cheap paint wears off just by looking at it. Also I have had the Delica for 3 years and the CH3001 for less than a year. Which one had the most opportunity to be carried? Which actual has been carried more.... the CH3001. Why does it get carried more? It has more blade for the same length on handle and uses less room in my pocket. That is my preference.
  4. marcinek


    Jan 9, 2007
    That's just rude. :thumbsdown: Men don't resort to name calling either.
  5. kniferbro


    Jan 22, 2011
    Preferences aside, I think a case for Spyderco being the most open to evolution of their designs can be made. First off, the Delica that keeps getting used in this thread is on its FOURTH iteration. Also they embrace the concept of CQI, Constant Quality Improvement. If anything Spyderco designs are the most refined. They make a knife, take real user feedback then go back to the design table and put out something better. Over and over again. Delica/Endura 4, Paramilitary 2/Para 3, Native 5... you get the point.

    Now THAT is rich!
  6. ThePeacent


    Sep 15, 2013
    true. It makes them Glesser knives
  7. Morrow

    Morrow Don't make this weird Staff Member Super Mod

    Apr 11, 2007
    I'm not sure how to reply to this but dial it back. Your post is bait and really adds nothing.
  8. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Well, not if it's a hole in the blade, I suspect.

    And I've never had a thumb stud detract from any of my real world cutting strokes.
  9. trevitrace

    trevitrace Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    I've run into difficulty cutting a slice off a block of cheddar with a BM 940.

    Frustrating. :mad:

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  10. Fanglekai


    Jan 7, 2007
    I gave plenty of numbers for why a Case trapper is superior. What's your response?
  11. Aldebaran


    Sep 18, 2004
    When did I mention numbers? I have no response for numbers. I stated a preference. Get over it.
  12. Jack_Burton


    Feb 23, 2017
    'Where Spydercos Fall Short'

    The looks department? Sorry, I know the Spyderco fanboys will burn me at the stake for this but, they're just not good looking knives imo. Ugly looking camel hump on the spine of the blade and the big hole in it. Think I've seen better looking troll dolls. o_O
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  13. maximus83


    Nov 7, 2011
    I don't know OP. Not trying to suggest your ratio couldn't be interesting to somebody, but just not to me. I don't think there's any correlation though with how serious a person is about knives and whether they buy into this analysis. I think I'm serious about knives and I don't buy it. :p My basic issue with it is that, for my usage, the ratio you're talking about doesn't make a difference in the real world. It's a theoretical metric that would have zero real-world impact on how I select, hold, or use general purpose blades.

    A great similar example of this is the "caliber wars" in firearms. For years and years, enthusiasts would debate endlessly on forums about the merits of .45 acp versus 9mm as a self-defense cartridge. Years ago, maybe there was a difference due to the state of the tech at the time (ballistics, projectile design, gunpowder, etc.). In the last 10 to 15 years though, it's become almost entirely irrelevant to debate about the merits of .45 vs 9mm purely based on the diameter of the projectile. The tech has brought them to the same level of performance, and the ONLY differences that matter are now that .45 makes a bigger hole, and 9mm gives you more rounds in the same pistol. Given a choice, EVERY SINGLE police officer and service person I know in those circumstances chooses the higher capacity of 9mm because having a higher number of rounds in a gunfight is a far greater practical game changer than some theoretical debate about what differences it may make to have a slightly larger diameter bullet.
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  14. Scott321


    Jul 20, 2016
    IMO, ratio is secondary. The issue I have with certain knives with small b/h ratio has less to do with length and more to do with wanting a blade edge closer to my hand for more leverage. Since many of the mid range, very popular Spyderco's are designed to use such a prominent finger choil on the blade, it pushes the blade further away from my hand in a hammer grip. For those who primarily use a saber grip or palm reinforced grip in their daily tasks, I don't see where the choil reduces cutting ability and may give more options.

    The box cutter was a good example of this, as it has great ergos for multiple grips, yet keeps the main cutting area (point) very close to the hand. I do love me some good box cutters for utility cutting tasks. This is also why I prefer a folding knife over a folding box cutter for my personal EDC tasks. Most folding box cutters move the cutting edge further away from the hand, reducing leverage and increases energy usage for long, arduous tasks... although the Wharncliffe style blade helps considerably in that role.
  15. Riz!


    May 5, 2014
    That short ratio on spydies is what makes them so great. i believe that ratio gives you more control over and leverage on the blade. I also echo the fact that spyderco has never disappointed me in any way. I EDC a spyderco military because of its incredible cutting performance, ergos, intuitive deployment and ease of carry (especially for its size).
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  16. unklfranco


    Apr 2, 2011
    Your not alone. I do "get" Spyderco but my non knife friends usually point out Spydies as weird looking.
  17. newdebate


    May 10, 2014
    Sharp or extra sharp cheddar? Matching aging, grind, and edge length gets very involved when cutting the cheese.
  18. Lapedog

    Lapedog Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 7, 2016
    I don't know man, it kinda gives the knives some personality, like a bird's eye and the blade is the beak. My Lionspy looks like a fat lazy pelican. My waved Endura looks like a heron with a pompadour.
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  19. singularity35


    Mar 1, 2010
    My millies kinda remind me of the spy vs. spy cartoons too.

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  20. colin.p


    Feb 4, 2017
    Unfortunately, Spydercos are not available in any B&M knife stores in the Ottawa area so I've never seen one personally, let alone held one. However, I like the longer handle to shorter blade ratio in an EDC blade. I prefer shorter blades, but not the short handles that are typically inherent with their design. That's probably the reason that my sheepsfoot blade is the blade I use the most on my large stockman. Small useful blade, and plenty of handle to hold it with.
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