Who Makes The Highest Performance CPM-3V On The Market Today?

JACKMANDU said:
I have owned both. The 3V Ratmandu and the BFK very similar in size. I really like both knives. I couldn’t say if one steel was better. I’m sure they are both great. The difference I could tell was in the edge geometry. The BFK was a better all around cutter for this reason. The Ratmandu was a little more bombproof for the same reason. I give the edge to BFK.
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And choil vs no choil makes a difference, too, correct ?
 
toker said:
I own blades from both companies. I've never ran my swords from either through abuse tests, but I do use their smaller fixed blades. I do know that I find CPK's ergonomics to fit my hand a lot better. I've also seen people hit bolts and metal during bad cuts with a CPK that resulted in no edge damage.
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TNT in SR-3V vs K20 ? Different price class though, IMO.
 
JACKMANDU said:
No comparison. K20 is a very high performance cutting tool. I have handled both. They are built different.

And I have owned many Busse swords. TNT, Rucky, wacki, AK47. F16
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Thanks. But regarding the 3V question, I'd say the comparison of TNT vs K20 wrt handling is unfair, 3x+ price difference, etc.

So the only fair comparison is RMD vs BFK, and thanks for sharing your experience. And geometry, not steel appears to rule.

So for now, we have no (customer) data regarding the OP.
 
And, BTW, I have some other cool knives in 3V, with makers having their own heat treat (not sure about the first), and they are doing fine .... for example:

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ferider said:
And, BTW, I have some other cool knives in 3V, with makers having their own heat treat (not sure about the first), and they are doing fine .... for example:

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In the wine industry I like to point out that the Farmer does all the work....

Is it Crucible who is (was) the farmer?
Maybe that's a better way of understanding all this......
 
This could go on endlessly with subjective claims.

It will take some serious testing to sort it out and likely resulting in some busted edges and, perhaps, catastrophic failures.

Now here's a fact.

Only the Bussekin 3V <and attendant knife parts> will be 100% warrantied through all the whole intensive process.

Good luck getting your Ancient Edge Cut Smelly Creek Find Hedgeapple handles replaced for free when you start running over your blade with a bushog.

Says a lot about each makers' mindset.

Pack that in your pipes and puff on it. Or do you guys over there prefer bongs?

Whatever your mind altering substance of choice is, you'd better up the dosage if you're seriously considering a shot at the title.

It's made you hallucinate-- but at least it'll help dull your pain when your ears get boxed.
 
PeteyTwoPointOne said:
Only the Bussekin 3V <and attendant knife parts> will be 100% warrantied through all the whole intensive process.

Good luck getting your Ancient Edge Cut Smelly Creek Find Hedgeapple handles replaced for free when you start running over your blade with a bushog.

Says a lot about each makers' mindset.
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Does Busse replace a handle on their Custom Shop with an equivalent handle?
 
toker said:
Does Busse replace a handle on their Custom Shop with an equivalent handle?
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Don't forget about we're talking about about the performance of *3V ;) -- my point was just an add-on to show another difference between Busse's product and any other maker-- but I'll answer your question with another:

Does any maker besides Busse replace any damaged handle- custom, standard, or otherwise-- for use and / or exceptionally tough use?

*Bussekin will make you whole with their 3V too**

**Free of charge

Keep tokin' ... it helps take the edge off when reality sets in.


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GregB said:
Yoko, do you own/use Bussekin?
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I did, but I let the busses go because the of the ergos and the thicker edges. CPK suits my needs and preferences better.
Seedy Lot said:
Maybe they both have figured out a 10 percent performance increase...

Cowboy up! The reality is pretty much all of you will never be able to distinguish different ht given same exact profile from different makers with their optimized heat treats.
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I have definitely been able to tell the difference between CPK D3V and other makers. I admit that I haven't tried busse 3v though. Maybe that makes my point less valid?
vkp78 said:
#notNathan, hopefully I am not quoting him out of context - but he doesn't offer the hard use warranty for all his knives for example, the DEK3.
To make it an any sort of meaningful comparison, the knives have to be closest in thickness, edge angle etc...or better still compare 2 blanks identical in all dimensions and run them through a cutting course or something similar. My money is on the CPK.
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I thought that busse didn't give their hard use warranty on some of their thin knives like some of the kitchen knives, etc. I could be wrong though.

The DEK3 is a really thin knife. I owned one and let it go for that reason. I wouldn't blame anyone for not giving a hard use warranty on a blade that thin.
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Long opinion ahead

Personally, I think the op question is very ambiguous.

1. If you want to compare 3v performance, you need identical knives with the same geometry doing the same exact tests.

I can tell you, right now, this will be pointless because busse is going to make a different knife than CPK. Regardless of who's 3v blank came out on top, neither maker is going to go make that knife; neither maker is going to create the same knife as the other.

2. We would need common language/reference points for this discussion.

Define "performance". What does that mean? It matters because it really does mean different things to different people.

I think it means 2 different things to Jerry Busse and Nathan Carothers, as evidenced by their different styles of knives. However, they can speak for themselves if they choose to do so.


To me, busse is one philosophy and CPK is another. They're just different and it's not going to matter if they're using the same steel with the same heat treatment, they'll still be very different knives.

CPK's knife making philosophy just more closely matches my wants/needs, so I prefer them.
 
PeteyTwoPointOne said:
This could go on endlessly with subjective claims.

It will take some serious testing to sort it out and likely resulting in some busted edges and, perhaps, catastrophic failures.

Now here's a fact.

Only the Bussekin 3V <and attendant knife parts> will be 100% warrantied through all the whole intensive process.

Good luck getting your Ancient Edge Cut Smelly Creek Find Hedgeapple handles replaced for free when you start running over your blade with a bushog.

Says a lot about each makers' mindset.

Pack that in your pipes and puff on it. Or do you guys over there prefer bongs?

Whatever your mind altering substance of choice is, you'd better up the dosage if you're seriously considering a shot at the title.

It's made you hallucinate-- but at least it'll help dull your pain when your ears get boxed.
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Harsh but true. I love CPK. Busse is king.

*very* keen to see a proper comparison between D3V and whatever Jerry has whipped up.

Nathan is a legit (evil) genius and if Jerry has outdone him on 3V I will honestly be quite shocked !..... but somehow, not suprised.

Jerry is kind of like a drunk magical INFI wizard. Nathan is a evil genius. Who wins? LOL
 
CPK doesn't need a warranty😂 they don't fail.
I don't believe that Jerry has an unconditional warranty like ESEE.
Busse warranty is good, but they did make me pay $75 plus return shipping to re-profile a knife that was too fat to start with.
I love both makers, but my CPK's cut better, and hold an edge longer. And I think they did better on JoeX destruction too. Nathan's 3V is incredible. It would be neat to see Jerry's do the same.
CPK is the world champion in Blade sports multiple times, for a reason.
 
azwelke said:
CPK doesn't need a warranty😂 they don't fail.
I don't believe that Jerry has an unconditional warranty like ESEE.
Busse warranty is good, but they did make me pay $75 plus return shipping to re-profile a knife that was too fat to start with.
I love both makers, but my CPK's cut better, and hold an edge longer. And I think they did better on JoeX destruction too. Nathan's 3V is incredible. It would be neat to see Jerry's do the same.
CPK is the world champion in Blade sports multiple times, for a reason.
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What a lopsided comment. Let me point out some flaws.

1) All knives fail. Nathan has said similar comments regarding this like on his K20 telling you its a weapon and a sword, not for woods use etc. I personally damaged the edge on my friends brand new HDFK when they first came out simply batoning some red gum.

2) Regarding your warranty issue. Sounds like you asked for a service. Not a warranty claim. Busse does have an unconditional warranty as proven by many (including myself)

3) JoeX test is retarded, and also not a fair comparison. 10" blade Busse vs a 5" blade CPK. Broke while chopping. Heard of inertia?

4) Busse has never entered a bladesport comp.

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sidewayyys said:
What a lopsided comment. Let me point out some flaws.

1) All knives fail. Nathan has said similar comments regarding this like on his K20 telling you its a weapon and a sword, not for woods use etc. I personally damaged the edge on my friends brand new HDFK when they first came out simply batoning some red gum.

2) Regarding your warranty issue. Sounds like you asked for a service. Not a warranty claim. Busse does have an unconditional warranty as proven by many (including myself)

3) JoeX test is retarded, and also not a fair comparison. 10" blade Busse vs a 5" blade CPK. Broke while chopping. Heard of inertia?

4) Busse has never entered a bladesport comp.

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It's not really a service order when the knife won't cut. They had a terrible grind on it. That is not my problem.
Busse Butaniku came with a note that said something similar to what you're talking about with the K20
Maybe they should enter Blade sports if they want to prove themselves in that arena.
Like I said, I love both makers.
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