whose warranties cover unintentional abuse/breakage?

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Aniketos said:
no no I own them... i have 3 AR's and a D9-SS bayonet.. and im getting a MTL-SS tomorrow.. ;) maybe a SMF soon!


LOL, I wouldnt have made this kind of arguement if I hadent owned one( or 4)

I said it in the context of.... I wanna buy one just to "test" it to prove.... :p
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Dude, you already said Strider is the only brand for you. All other knives are mere "toys" in comparison. Is that truly likely to be tested? Really?
 
Aniketos said:
You see where Cliff has his side flawed.... he is comparing a buckstrider.
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No, this is a common problem to liners and integrals. They can move under torques and then be prone to shear failure. Has Mick actually said lately that the problem I described with the Buck/Strider will not be an issue with the actual Striders, because that isn't what he said at the time when I broke the Buck/Strider.

J Rummerfield said:
Every lock type can fail
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Every knife can cut anything, thus by the same logic cutting ability is irrelevant. This of course overlooks the fact that the ease of cutting is what is important, just as what it takes to disengage or break a lock is of consequence. It makes more than a little difference if it is a mild wrist torque or heavy batoning.

-Cliff
 
Enough of this, I have decided that the best way to solve this ongoing controversy is to start up my own testing facility. I have gone out and bought my own scientific testing equipment (cement blocks, rope, a pipe, vise, 2x4's and a torch) and am now waiting on the knives. I expect "all" knife company's to send me several examples of their most popular knives for testing. Any company that doesn't send me some knives AND automatically replace them when/if I break them will prove their inferiority and will be put at the bottom of my list. My testing will finally prove, after all of these years, the validity of Cliff's testing and the resulting superiority vs inferiority of all major brands of cutlery. Demands, sorry I mean requests, for knives from the companys will be sent out over the next couple of days and results will be posted here.
 
It's real simple...Cliff has been in Bed with the Busse folks for years. Always has been, always will. Therefore, nothing can be as good as a Busse product or Jerry will kick him off the bed and make him sleep on the floor.
 
Barry McKokiner said:
It's real simple...Cliff has been in Bed with the Busse folks for years. Always has been, always will. Therefore, nothing can be as good as a Busse product or Jerry will kick him off the bed and make him sleep on the floor.
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Some of you folks might consider lightening up a tad.

Brand loyalty is great. We have the Busse Hogs, The "Mick Rocks" crowd, the Usual Suspects, etc. etc. Where that turns into personal attacks on anyone with a discouraging word about your favorite brand, you do your brand no good whatsoever -- except with your fellow fans. You are preaching to the converted only. (Probably feels good.) You will also find that Cliff will respond to anything like a factual statement in your rants, often resulting in repetition of the very things you do not wish to hear.

Barry: Welcome to BF, newbe. Nice start. :rolleyes: Use of the "search" function would reveal that Cliff has said nice things about many brands other than Busse and said things not happily received about brands other than Strider.

Aniketos, no offense. I just was trying to convey, in my imperfect way, that anyone who starts off that Strider is the "only" brand -- that all other brands are as "toys" -- will have a hard time coming off as objective in a world that includes fans of other brands. (My Manix is a "toy"? :eek: :mad: ) If that's not what you meant to communicate, I apologize.
 
Barry McKokiner said:
...nothing can be as good as a Busse product
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Except the ones that are, try reading the reviews. Lots of people make knives that can outperform Busse knives in various ways.

-Cliff
 
I think this is a very interesting thread. Cliff, I'm not going to insult you or blast you for your opinions. Your testing is interesting. Let's face it, any of us can break any folding knife if we want to. For me, I love Striders. I believe in their abilities, I use them every day, and they have never let me down. I can afford to carry any brand folder I want on duty, I happen to choose Strider. I also love CRK Sebenzas, own them, & carry them. But when I put on my uniform every (other) day, it's a Strider that's on my belt. It's just a tool. For me, it's the best tool for the job. If Strider knives had been around when I was in the military, I would have carried one then also.

Thanks for the discussion,
John...
 
Barry McKokiner said:
I have read the reviews.
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Go through them again, find all the places where Busse knives are compared to others, and do a talley where they outperform vs where they are outperformed. See if it matches the statement you made in the above. Do a check on my posts on Bladeforums and see if I am always positive about Busse.

Now do the same with some of the Strider fans in the above. See how often they point out where the Strider knives are outperformed by others and how often they are negative about the performance of the knives. You really need to recheck your defination of biased.

-Cliff
 
Hi Josh. email sent.

Hey Aniketos. If you want someone to break your new Strider scientifically, I'm your huckleberry ;)

sal
 
It's amazing how personal people get when comparing knife brands - then it's not so amazing because your choice of EDC is a highly personal matter. Even in indigenous cultures (like the Australian aborigines that I am familiar with), where people are generally indifferent about man made objects, will bury the dead with their EDC (in the case of the aborigines this is spear, nulla nulla, flint, tinder etc) so it can be used in the next life. So a little bit of irrationality when it comes to knife choice is expected.

Why can't we admit we just like a knife? It cracks me up when I read all of these 'when my life is on the line - then I want a blade I can rely on and am prepared to extend my morgage just to be able to afford it' type posts. Any survival expert will tell you that most mid to high level brands will fit the bill in a survival situation as long as you have remembered to pack your brain along with your BOB. Yet I read people making all kinds of outlandish claims to help justify spending more than what most people would understand on a single knife. Dudes – buy what you want, it’s ok to just like a knife for the way it looks and the image it represents.

This concludes my sermon for the day :D
 
Ming65,

As long as I'm not buried with anyone else's EDC, especially in a vital spot, I'm inclined to agree. Though I did see a signature line of a survivalist which read: "The more I own, the less I need to know. Wait... That's not right..." which may explain some of the rationale.
 
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