Why am I so different in what i want a folder to do?

[colubrid]

You could use most stainless steels and clean the knife when you feel like it. If the salt works you got the knife for you. Sounds like you want a new knife just to have a new knife not for function at all. By the way, getting up in the middle of the night isn't the best for your health... Just sayin

Yeah I guess it is not good for my health being 53 and all.

 

[colubrid]

guess what I used to cut cheese at midnight a few nights back, that I left uncleaned for 8 hours? a CARBON steel knife. guess what it didn't have on it, a single spot of rust.

to say you need a completely stain proof knife for the mediocre kitchen tasks you do is like saying you need a huge lifted truck to pick up milk from the corner store.

oh, I also manage to cut fruit and cheese a lot with no cutting board and I manage to not hit the edge on the plate our counter top.

I think instead of saying "my car is defective because I keep running into light poles with it." the driver might just want to work on his driving skills...

lol! IT IS JUST NOT ABOUT CUTTING CHEESE. You guys are that thick headed?


It is not about wood cutting boards or even kicthen prep. It is the thousand other reasons you can get more ease of use from a rust free knife that sharpens easily. Today makers just don't give the options for you to undertand teh benefits.

You want me to start compiling a list of benefits that a rust free , easy to sharpen , advanced deisign knife woul be? I tell you th list would be long if compared to a hard supersteel that rusts.

Heck why do you guys keep buying the same knife over and over?

I mean which is more different. A Benchmade, Strider, spyderco, Zero Tolerance, ect ect with the same things in a different package??... THEY ARE ALL THE SAM EXCEPT IN DESIGN AND THE WAY THEY LOOK (Asthetics). Why not offer a knife that can actually do different things and make that an offer instead of just one ina cheap linerless plastic version of a Spyderco Salt?

I am just saying why not make a knife that has more uses in a modern design like a Spyderco Brad southard, or ZT 0556? Only with all rust free and softer H1 steel.

heck even a Military in H1 steel with T pocket clip and ti linrs and rust free pins and screws would be something a lot of people would see the benefit to actually USING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Instad all we see are new designs in a new super steel like D2 or Elmax ect ect

 

[Shoki]

Tanning beds are definitely not good for your health...

 

[OrdnanceBubbaUSMC]

I think they would be a cool folder for certain people in certain environments. Have you beat up on the salt folders a good bit? My old Endura was pretty dang durable for a folder. Zytel/Grivory has been good to me in general. Might still get a Tasman one of these days.

 

[cwdotson]

I guess it's the gin and tonic I had for lunch (it's a rare saturday in which my family is out of town and i just felt like it, ok?), but I do not get all the excitement and all the caps (internet for shouting?) and such because someone apparently does not like maintaining blades and likes a midnight fromage without washup, and posts their sexy (????) midlife pic? What the heck have I wandered into? IF there is a market, SOMEONE will supply the product or service. Just look at china white, etc. Wash and wipe the dang blade (it might take one to two minutes), grab a cutting board, whatever. Otherwise, do what the wise mand said earlier and get a custom. Me, for midnight snacks, I use my Manix 1st generation, wipe it off real quick after a sink rinse, and put a little olive oil the next day, like I generally do for maintenance. I just do not see the big deal: Was it Colonel Cooper who said the double-action was an answer to a question that had not been asked?cwd

 

[goodeyesniper]

I am just saying why not make a knife that has more uses in a modern design like a Spyderco Brad southard, or ZT 0556? Only with all rust free and softer H1 steel.

heck even a Military in H1 steel with T pocket clip and ti linrs and rust free pins and screws would be something a lot of people would see the benefit to actually USING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Instad all we see are new designs in a new super steel like D2 or Elmax ect ect

maybe because modern super steels are more than rust resistant enough for the average person?

listen I understand as knife nuts we like to nitpick little things that don't really matter, but were you seriously having rust problems with your usage? I carry a carbon steel folder everyday, through thunder storms, high heat, manual labor, bike rides, and I don't have rust problems. I often get home and my knife is sopping wet... no problems.

I feel like 154cm would be a good steel for you, very rust resistant, easy to sharpen, etc...

personally if I want a low upkeep steel that sharpens up on the stones in six swipes, I go for simple carbon steel.

I just have a hard time believing that you have serious issues with rust on modern stainless unless you are using it out to sea...

 

[colubrid]

I think they would be a cool folder for certain people in certain environments. Have you beat up on the salt folders a good bit? My old Endura was pretty dang durable for a folder. Zytel/Grivory has been good to me in general. Might still get a Tasman one of these days.

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Nothing worse than spending an afternood trying to shapen a supersteel because i used it to cut through boxes, drywall or hammered them at work.

Yeah I have beat them up more than any supersteel. Why? Because i can resharpen them easier so i am not so gentle with the H1.

which would you rather reach for?

Careful because that is a trick question.

 

[colubrid]

I just have a hard time believing that you have serious issues with rust on modern stainless unless you are using it out to sea...

Well if I lived in Cali or Pheonix maybe i wouldn't.

thing is I like teh softer steel as well. plus i like not to worry about a knife that will rust if left out in the grass one night.

I recently dropped my Spyderco Millie with s30v in the grass while woking on a project outdoors.. and guess what. The next day the thing had rust all over it by being left out overnight to sweat the the grounds natural moisture.

Like i said.. it is not just the rust issue. It is using a knife and not have to worry about the rust. I can take care of my knives without rusting. But maybe a design that would be pleasing to the eye and tough as nails that is also cool and rust free , easy to sharpen and has titanium...would open some of your eyes.

 

[goodeyesniper]

have you used 154cm or vg10? it sounds like what you are looking for.

 

[seelow123]

What are you using to sharpen your knives? (I apologize if you already mentioned that. It's hard to keep up)

I've never once wanted a knife in H1 over something like s30v or m390. I live in Kentucky and it gets very humid here and I've never had rust problems with the aforementioned steels. I can sharpen them up pretty dang easily, too.

 

[colubrid]

have you used 154cm or vg10? it sounds like what you are looking for.

Yeah of course i have. That they not rust free and easy to sharpen.
Plus t intrnals ar not rust free (liners ect) nor are the screws.

Plus the H1 gets harder as one cuts with it. Did you know that?

 

[colubrid]

What are you using to sharpen your knives? (I apologize if you already mentioned that. It's hard to keep up)

I've never once wanted a knife in H1 over something like s30v or m390. I live in Kentucky and it gets very humid here and I've never had rust problems with the aforementioned steels. I can sharpen them up pretty dang easily, too.

Have you tried carrying a spyderco Salt and using it for a while?


Listen.. i don't like the salts. But I like the steel. I just wish the same premise in a harder use folder with titanuim like maybe in a ZT 0550 format.

 

[colubrid]

A lt of you alos issed the fact i alos wish it was a knife one can take apart to clean with simple tools such as this one.

 

[seelow123]

Yeah of course i have. That they not rust free and easy to sharpen.
Plus t intrnals ar not rust free (liners ect) nor are the screws.

Plus the H1 gets harder as one cuts with it. Did you know that?

I'm sorry but both of those steels are easy to sharpen.

And I believe there was a thread in the Spyderco forums about H1 and where someone stated that sharpening H1 isn't enough to harden it. You have to apply more stress to it like grinding it. I'm not sure if that was true or not but I remember someone seeing that somewhere.

 

[goodeyesniper]

But maybe a design that would be pleasing to the eye and tough as nails that is also cool and rust free , easy to sharpen and has titanium...would open some of your eyes.

it wouldn't open up my eyes because I already have worry free knives that are easy to sharpen in carbon steel.

you might want to see if you can find a custom maker who can get their hands on h1, who can do something in g10 and all titanium construction?

 

[seelow123]

Have you tried carrying a spyderco Salt and using it for a while?


Listen.. i don't like the salts. But I like the steel. I just wish the same premise in a harder use folder with titanuim like maybe in a ZT 0550 format.

Yes I have. I carried a ladybug salt for about two months and didn't really like the H1. It's not a bad steel at all but I feel like the vg10 you can also get the ladybug in is better (for me). I've NEVER had vg10 rust on me and I've had about 6 or seven different knives in that steel.

 

[colubrid]

it wouldn't open up my eyes because I already have worry free knives that are easy to sharpen in carbon steel.

you might want to see if you can find a custom maker who can get their hands on h1, who can do something in g10 and all titanium construction?

That would be nice if he can make something like this only with H1 blade and H1 screws:

I just think a lot more people would buy it if it was offered. It seems like a lot of you are mad at me for suggesting it because you don't think it would be popular to sell a maintenace free knife with screws, softer steel and rustfree. Think about that concept instead of always thinking "saltwater" knife..

 

[goodeyesniper]

first off, sharpening h1 by hand will not make it any harder.

A lt of you alos issed the fact i alos wish it was a knife one can take apart to clean with simple tools such as this one.

lol now I'm really confused. first you just want to leave your knife outside in the elements, or not wipe them down after you use them, basically the epitome of neglect and disuse, but then you want something you can take apart to clean, even though it will be completely rust proof, so you would only ever need to hose it out or stick it in the dish washer...

I'm not trying to be rude, it just makes absolutely no sense to me. I have never once taken apart a knife, but I take very good care of my blades... it's like saying you want a car that you never have to put oil in, because popping the hood is just too much effort, but at the same time you want an engine that is easy to rebuild...

 

[colubrid]

Yes I have. I carried a ladybug salt for about two months and didn't really like the H1. It's not a bad steel at all but I feel like the vg10 you can also get the ladybug in is better (for me). I've NEVER had vg10 rust on me and I've had about 6 or seven different knives in that steel.

VG10 is what te old spydercos used to use, right? Yeah i had many rust on me. The police model in back pocket carry will do that while driving a car long distance.

Again, are you guys so used to pampering a knife that you ened to say it should have been remeoved from teh back pocket whiled driving?-----again, that is not the point!

 

[yablanowitz]

i DON'T THINK i AM UNREASONABLE.

I suspect you are a minority of one, there.

I THINK IT IS UNREASONABLE TO THINK WE CAN'T HAVE A KNIFE TO DO ALL THAT. THAT PARTS ARE THERE. THE PROBLEM IS MAKERS DON'T SEE A MARKET FOR IT.

There is a reason for that. That market is too small to be profitable. H-1 is expensive stuff. It presents some unique difficulties in production. One of the reasons Spyderco settled on the models they did in the Salt seried was because they could use existing tooling for much of them to reduce costs, and the Salts are still more expensive than the VG-10 models they were based on.

If you just have to have what you want, get out your wallet and start contacting custom makers. If you can find one that can get H-1 and is willing to work with the stuff and you, don't expect to get off cheap.