Why Busse Combat?

Cobalt said:
Any knife can be broken. The point is to get a knife that has been properly made and heat treated. Testing knives to the limit or beyond helps verify that the knife maker is doing a good job. It's called independent testing, independent QC, etc. How the knifemaker reacts to that testing tells you all you want to know
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The thing that is strange to me is how the fans of these knifemakers act/react when faced with hard evidence. Take the Strider folks who came here and attacked Sparks and the forum for posting what I saw as indisputable evidence that Mickey Ray Burger/Strider is/was a phony.

The people attacking Cliff were doing the same thing. Instead of accepting the facts, that the knife they spent so much money on couldn't handle hard use, they decided to attack the messenger. Nobody ever seemed to be able to address the evidence, they just attacked the presenter, resorting to Ad Hominem attacks. This is one of the first logical fallacies that you learn when studying logic.
 
The bigger issue is when you have a knife that is supposedly designed to handle abuse and it cannot. Then the excuses start to fly and the ad hominem attacks begin. In the late 90's I purchased two cpm3v knives from a knife maker and both had edge failure on fairly mild use. I told the knifemaker what happened, but he did not think it had anything to do with his process. He was wrong.
 
Cobalt said:
The bigger issue is when THEY CLAIM to BUILD a knife that is supposedly designed to handle abuse and it cannot. Then the excuses start to fly and the ad hominem attacks begin. In the late 90's I purchased two cpm3v knives from a knife maker and both had edge failure on fairly mild use. I told the knifemaker what happened, but he did not think it had anything to do with his process. He was wrong.
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Fixed it for ya Bro!
 
Kind of hard to argue with a knife that has spent the majority of it's 20 plus year life doing stuff like this without ever failing.
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Cobalt said:
The bigger issue is when you have a knife that is supposedly designed to handle abuse and it cannot. Then the excuses start to fly and the ad hominem attacks begin. In the late 90's I purchased two cpm3v knives from a knife maker and both had edge failure on fairly mild use. I told the knifemaker what happened, but he did not think it had anything to do with his process. He was wrong.
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With the volume of knives produced by Busse and the Kin brands, there are bound to be some duds but I could never see them passing the buck. This thread is about "Why Busse Combat" and that is the answer for me.

I haven't bought a CPK yet but that outfit seems to be cut from the same cloth. I thought of them because I believe they use CPM 3V
 
Busto said:
20 Plus years....That's like a LIFE SENTENCE without Parole from Chopping Behind the Wood Shed:eek:
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That knife there is actually the one that I sold to Resinguy. :D When I had it it spent most of it's life with two sisters in the yard. Even overnighters, lol. I still have the sisters. That one is very unusual in that it has a factory chamfer running down both sides of the spine. Don't remember seeing another one like that. But it's hard to see with coating on.
 
WatermanChris said:
With the volume of knives produced by Busse and the Kin brands, there are bound to be some duds but I could never see them passing the buck. This thread is about "Why Busse Combat" and that is the answer for me.

I haven't bought a CPK yet but that outfit seems to be cut from the same cloth. I thought of them because I believe they use CPM 3V
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I have a couple CPK....Nice Quality Delta 3v BUT very different from Busse INFI.
 
WatermanChris said:
With the volume of knives produced by Busse and the Kin brands, there are bound to be some duds but I could never see them passing the buck. This thread is about "Why Busse Combat" and that is the answer for me.

I haven't bought a CPK yet but that outfit seems to be cut from the same cloth. I thought of them because I believe they use CPM 3V
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CPK is a knife you can trust. But he tests harder than most users ever will.
 
Cobalt said:
That knife there is actually the one that I sold to Resinguy. :D When I had it it spent most of it's life with two sisters in the yard. Even overnighters, lol. I still have the sisters. That one is very unusual in that it has a factory chamfer running down both sides of the spine. Don't remember seeing another one like that. But it's hard to see with coating on.
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Interesting....I can't recall seeing any other with that chamfer...However I haven't seen anywhere near as many as you've had through your Mits...Very Cool Very Classy Mistress:thumbsup::cool:
 
As far as I'm concerned destruction test are an absolutely indispensable part of this thing we do. I watched every part of every Noss video I could back when he had his own little site. The ones that preformed well are now the ones I own. Sure it was a couple hours of time spent but that was nothing compared to trying to educate myself about metallurgy, heat treats, different makers, etc. I truly truly appreciate the time, energy, and funds those guys put in and felt really bad when they would get crapped on for it.

I remember there was a very popular maker whose knife snapped at the base during basic batoning. A while after that they sent him another one and the same thing happened. Since I baton with almost all of my outdoor fixed blades, I made a decision never to purchase from that maker (also they were around the same cost as Busse). I'm sure the maker of that knife was upset, but not as upset as I would be if I was trying to make a fire in the rain on a deep hike and my blade completely failed.
 
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