Why is 13C26 better?

Cliff Stamp said:
These properties are different in the manner they effect edges, essentially one of the curves has a horizontal asymptote and the other does not. All edges blunt from wear/deformation, it just happens less as the hardness is increased. However with shock and corrosion you can actually prevent it completely with a specific amount of a property and thus increasing it has no functional gain.

-Cliff
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You're right, wear resistance will always bring an increase in performance, but if you already have enough toughness or corrosion resistance for the application, increasing it does nothing but give you "a story to tell" as my father likes to say. Way more knives are sold over a story than there should be.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Witness for example how CRK&T gets severly criticized for using "low end" steels but Kershaw uses the same steels in many knives but the same lambasting isn't applied to them. You can see this obviously very clearly if you go to individual forums which have the same effect but it is now so strong that it almost removes any criticism.

-Cliff
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My gripe with CRKT is the fact that they don't use the higher-end steels often enough as Kershaw does. Of course Kershaw uses 440A and the new Sandvik steel with their Leeks, but they also offer them in S30V and ZDP-189 as well.

Where is my CRKT M16-13M in 440C, 154CM, D2, S30V, or ZDP-189? Options... that's all I want... options. And Kershaw gives that to me, CRKT - on a broad scale - does not.

This is why I just posted the thread on it... am I wrong for asking such a question?

-Ryan

P.S. My apologies for not realizing the date of this thread. But my question and frustration still remain...
 
FliGuyRyan said:
This is why I just posted the thread on it... am I wrong for asking such a question?

-Ryan

P.S. My apologies for not realizing the date of this thread. But my question and frustration still remain...
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Do not be sorry, this thread needs seeing. Very current. start on page one.
 
This is why I just posted the thread on it... am I wrong for asking such a question?
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I don't think its wrong to voice the question at all and in fact its quite valid.

I have felt the same way. I almost bought the CRKT Tighe Breaker folder the other day because I find that folder to be visually very very appealing and I have nothing at all against AUS8 steel. Visually that knife is sexy I think but two things changed my mind about buying one.

1st) Blue "Metalic Tone Nylon scales" instead of a quality handle material and 2nd), the auto lock for the lock on that LAWKS system they now put on everything. http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=7780

I think your questions on blade steels by CRKT needs to be brought up again in a new thread.

STR
 
STR said:
I don't think its wrong to voice the question at all and in fact its quite valid.

I have felt the same way. I almost bought the CRKT Tighe Breaker folder the other day because I find that folder to be visually very very appealing and I have nothing at all against AUS8 steel. Visually that knife is sexy I think but two things changed my mind about buying one.

1st) Blue "Metalic Tone Nylon scales" instead of a quality handle material and 2nd), the auto lock for the lock on that LAWKS system they now put on everything. http://www.newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=7780

I think your questions on blade steels by CRKT needs to be brought up again in a new thread.

STR
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STR:

I hate to dis-agree with friends in the forums, that is a great way to lose friends and I have none to spare. If you start a new thread then you are going to lose all of the really great input in this one. I do not have enough experience to be able to say you are wrong, are you?

AGR
 
Its all good. I just felt this thread more or less focused on Kershaw and that a thread on CRKT deserved seperate attention. I could be wrong. But don't want to say that too loudly I don't want my wife to overhear me saying that. She may make me repeat it if it sounds too sweet to her ears.:D

STR
 
STR said:
Its all good. I just felt this thread more or less focused on Kershaw and that a thread on CRKT deserved seperate attention. I could be wrong. But don't want to say that too loudly I don't want my wife to overhear me saying that. She may make me repeat it if it sounds too sweet to her ears.:D

STR
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Are you telling me that she does not have a deep seated belief that you are perfect? Stepford wives where are you?
 
FliGuyRyan said:
My gripe with CRKT is the fact that they don't use the higher-end steels often enough ...
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That classification "higher-end" is really a huge misconception, what it actually is usually attributed to is "high carbide" and that does not mean better. There are lots of situations where the lower carbide steels used by CRK&T are superior. They are fairly responsive to email. Send them your comments and reference the threads so they can see how much of the community feel.

-Cliff
 
Thanks for the support guys... as I would say the vast majority agree with me in my "CRKT needs better steels!" case. I will email them... maybe we should petition...

M Wadel... that is one of the most technical questions I've ever heard. Wow...
 
FliGuyRyan said:
Thanks for the support guys... as I would say the vast majority agree with me in my "CRKT needs better steels!" case. I will email them... maybe we should petition...

M Wadel... that is one of the most technical questions I've ever heard. Wow...
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Why do you want to remove an important part of the knife market? CRKT provides lower cost knives of decent if not great steel at prices most of the market can afford. In their quiet way they are a very successful company and I am sure will continue to work in the way that has made them as successful as they are. Do not look for them to try to force thier way into the part of the market being fought over by Kershaw and Benchmade.
 
Don't worry A.G. I think CRKT knows who they are and where
their market is. Everyone can't be in the high end because "we" want
them to be. If everyone in the car industry only made cars
at the price level of a ferrari most of us
here would be doing a lot more walking.
 
M Wadel said:
whats the kilo-price for the different "AUS´es"?? expensive?
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AUS6 is less expensive then AUS8 which is less expensive than VG10 or ATS34 which are less expensive than the next step up and on and on.

BUT, ALL tool steel is expensive today.
 
AUS4 and AUS6 are tougher than AUS8, easier to machine, easier to hone and easier to heat treat. They make a better choice for customers who don't treat their knives with care. A blade that breaks during normal idiot use is bad for that idiot. He won't care that it holds an edge longer when his blade is lying on the floor. The wear resistant steels are more brittle than the simple softer alloys. For your average idiot AUS4 may be one of the best steels available.
 
Some of the AUS6 I have used that has been H/T'd and then cryo treated has had some pretty outstanding edge holding and toughness both.

I think it wasTexas knifemaker supply where I bought some blanks out of AUS6 steel. Anyway, I paid a tad extra for the optional cryo -300F cryo on some and not on the others and made some kitchen knives for my sister's wedding gift and those cryo treated ones are surprisingly good at always cutting and performing. So much so that I made some for myself that the wife and I use in the kitchen quite a bit.

TKS no longer sells the model I got years ago but I can guarantee you that if you buy two models in that same steel the exact same in everyway and get one cryo treated and one not you'd know which was which from using it.

STR
 
FliGuyRyan said:
M Wadel... that is one of the most technical questions I've ever heard. Wow...
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after posting that i felt very unproffessional, i didn´t mean to offend you or anyone else with my untechnical unproffessionalism. i´m sorry, i would like to apologize..
 
Heck, I can't miss this thread. So much good stuff.

If Kershaw is making Sandvick blades at 59-60rc, I'm going to look for one tomorrow. That's a big improvement over what you get for $30 from other manufacturers (usually something like 420hc at 57). But will the hardness be printed on the back of the package so I can be sure I am buying a new one? I don't even see it listed on the website.
 
Jeff Clark said:
For your average idiot AUS4 may be one of the best steels available.
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I would not classify such steels so harshly. Look at some of the carbon steels used by many of the well respected knifemakers. It is not unusual for them to be very low carbide steels and some knifemakers like softer hardness levels. Fisk for example has noted he prefers 52 HRC on his knives.

-Cliff
 
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