Why is flicking damaging to the Reeve knives

HwangJino said:
Which is why im looking at other knife makers for framelocks. One that encourages use and abuse.

I keep mine the way they are, thumb flicking, but I do want a quality folder I can wrist flick If I wanted to without worry.

it tends to be a habit of knife hobbyists.

its like a pricey car that voids warranty if you slam the gas and go past 65 mph.
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Wrist flicking is NOT the habit of hobbyists. No self respecting collector would do that to their knives. It's amatuerish, mall ninja, tacticool and should only be reserved for certain internet douches. If you can't flick a knife out with your thumb and no wrist flick either learn some technique or get a better knife.

To use your car analogy, it would be like taking the vehicle on a race track and running it several hours a day and then when it breaks, expecting your warranty to cover it.
 
dynamicmoves said:
I've never handled a Sebenza so I don't know if I can comment here, but I've always wondered if a Sebenza is kind of like a MacBook to the knife world. Overpriced, has a certain social status that goes along with it, but when you get down to the OS and the hardware, not too much different from a computer that is $400 less than it is.
One day I'll get to play around with one of them, at which point I believe I'll form my own opinion that I will swing around like fact.
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It's not and it's a terrible comparison. Apple's are made in China, just as cheaply as everything else out there. Why don't you go watch the Blade HQ shop tours of CRK and tell us what other manufacturer goes to the same lengths and detail that they do...

I said it before and I'll say it again. People who can't tell the quality difference between a Sebenza and cheaper framelock folder just aren't detail oriented enough to be able to tell the differences.
 
Locutus D'Borg said:
Yet another contribution to the recent rash of anti-Sebenza threads started by non-paying members. I'm guessing most are very young.
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Please take a chill pill on bashing "non-paying" members. It's old, we all read it a thousand times and we're not all the same. Just because non-paying members started a number of threads doesn't mean that paying members disagree with it.

I don't have a problem with CR knives. What is your point?
 
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Scurvy092 said:
It's not and it's a terrible comparison. Apple's are made in China, just as cheaply as everything else out there. Why don't you go watch the Blade HQ shop tours of CRK and tell us what other manufacturer goes to the same lengths and detail that they do...

I said it before and I'll say it again. People who can't tell the quality difference between a Sebenza and cheaper framelock folder just aren't detail oriented enough to be able to tell the differences.
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How much does a Sebenza cost to produce compared to something like a Bradley Alias?
 
Scurvy092 said:
To use your car analogy, it would be like taking the vehicle on a race track and running it several hours a day and then when it breaks, expecting your warranty to cover it.
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I agree, CRK has no issue repairing knives that have been used for 10+ years with regular wear (people have serviced their decade old regular sebenzas with no issue), but they shouldn't and don't have to warranty a knife that has been made within the last year that has uneven wear that looks like it has seen 20 years of use...they don't have the time or money to do this. That said, their knives can handle flicking anyway...but if you wan't it to last a life time I wouldn't recommend it.

I don't understand why people are still upset with CRK about this, CRK explicitly states the knife is a tool, and if you take care of it, it will take care of you. Not sure when the last time you needed a spring assisted hammer, or the inanimate material you are trying to cut grows legs and runs away. You can still thumb flick the knife pretty easily if it's broken in.

For the record, one of the reasons knives are so taboo is because people go around wrist flicking knives and showing the world how fast they can deploy their 'tool'. There is a reason why places like NYC ban all knives that can be flicked open (not saying I agree with this but its understandable). No one cares if you drive under the speed limit, but if you are going around at 100mph showing off, cops can and should give you a ticket.
 
Reminds me of this video:

[video=youtube;hztV6nTMKqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hztV6nTMKqY[/video]

If you have ever abused a knife to the extend that those lockbars deforms in those videos you know it takes considerable force to disform/mangle a lock face like that. All I really can contribute is if you live in the USA....why not pick up the phone and call them directly for an answer?
 
dynamicmoves said:
I've never handled a Sebenza so I don't know if I can comment here, but I've always wondered if a Sebenza is kind of like a MacBook to the knife world. Overpriced, has a certain social status that goes along with it, but when you get down to the OS and the hardware, not too much different from a computer that is $400 less than it is.
One day I'll get to play around with one of them, at which point I believe I'll form my own opinion that I will swing around like fact.
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If you get a PC laptop with the same specs as the MBP, the MBP will squash the PC any day of the week. Apple develops the software from the ground up and then chooses its hardware, everything is optimized. PC's are all built and then someone slaps a copy of Windows on them. There is a reason why MBPs have much higher benchmarks than PCs with the same parts. Everything is optimized to squeeze the last bit of power out of the machine. There is a reason Apple can still control a large portion of the computer industry with last quarter's hardware.

That said, you can build any desktop for $2000 that will out perform a $2000 MBP. But its not as simple as just the OS UI and hardware....

You need to handle a sebenza to understand why its the benchmark for a lot of people.
 
If people want to flick their knives they should invest in a good steel on steel liner lock in my opinion...

I have an old Kershaw Boa (steel liner lock) from 2004 that I can open pretty much as hard as I can and the lockup still only goes to 25% and has not changed with use... :thumbup:

I don't think high end Ti framelocks are good candidates for repeated aggressive openings typically as it can cause issues.
 
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mjolnir74 said:
I'm ignorant of this. How is a ZT 0561 designed to take opening better. Not being smart, they are both framelocks. Is the stop pin beefed up?
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The flippers I've seen disassembled do have stronger stop pins, yes, and that makes a difference.
 
dynamicmoves said:
I've never handled a Sebenza so I don't know if I can comment here, but I've always wondered if a Sebenza is kind of like a MacBook to the knife world. Overpriced, has a certain social status that goes along with it, but when you get down to the OS and the hardware, not too much different from a computer that is $400 less than it is.
One day I'll get to play around with one of them, at which point I believe I'll form my own opinion that I will swing around like fact.
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Think of it this way. The Sebenza was made during the early 1990's late 1980's, during a time where the kind of machining used in production/mid tech today by many was not available. For close to 20 od years no maker could come close to the quantity and quality produced by CRK and he set the bench mark. That is my opinion at least. Times have changed though so if it is not your cup of tea buy any of the $400 ranged knives available or what ever you might like. No one can force you to like it though and knife purchases should be based on what you like and would want to own.
 
Bugout Bill said:
How much does a Sebenza cost to produce compared to something like a Bradley Alias?
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That's not a fair comparison because Benchmade could spend 3 times as much making the Bradley's if they wanted to. CRK makes the knives the way that they want to, and price them accordingly. If they felt that they had to sell the knives at a lower price point they could probably figure out a way to make them for less money. Since they have a market at their current pricing they are probably happy that they don't have to figure out how to make them for less money like Benchmade does. I'm not a CRK fan and don't own one, but I don't doubt that you could tell some difference if you directly compare a Sage 2 or an Alias I or II with a CRK knife. It's just a question of whether you want to pay a lot extra for the difference, and if you do that's fine.

Some people are just wondering why the knife that costs 2 or 3 times as much as a Sage 2 or an Alias has less warranty coverage.

As for flipping- I have a number of assisted knives and I have wondered how the opening of one of those will affect its life. To me my Kershaw Blur or Benchmade 581 Barrage opens harder than I can possibly open any of my non-assisted knives to matter what I do with my wrist. For that matter I can flick open my Manix 2 with my thumb very fast, but it doesn't hit the stop as hard as the blades in my assisted knives. If I'm not needing to open my assisted knives quickly I will use both hands to keep the blade from hitting the stop. I suppose this could be considered a downside of an assisted knife by someone that doesn't like them.
 
This. Some people's brains are wired to detect the smallest details, they are very detail oriented by nature. Others not so much. Detail oriented people tend to admire the details of fit and finish in knives, watches, cars, etc. Others can't distinguish the difference and don't see what we are talking about.

Scurvy092 said:
It's not and it's a terrible comparison. Apple's are made in China, just as cheaply as everything else out there. Why don't you go watch the Blade HQ shop tours of CRK and tell us what other manufacturer goes to the same lengths and detail that they do...

I said it before and I'll say it again. People who can't tell the quality difference between a Sebenza and cheaper framelock folder just aren't detail oriented enough to be able to tell the differences.
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duro said:
Why is flicking damaging to the Reeve knives, but yet for flipper knives, flicking is the only way to open...Different design?
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Flicking is not the only way to open flippers and should not be the way. A good flipper requires no wrist flick.
 
Makes sense to me. Thanks JNewell

I did notice the new 0566 looks like it has a stop pin and thumb lug stops.
 
Please note that excessive flicking of the blade will also produce a rough action. Continuous wrist flicking will eventually damage the lock because the stop pin and back of the blade are not designed for that sort of continual shock.

http://chrisreeve.com/FAQs
 
As stated a finger flick and a wrist whip are different. Whipping your knife open puts alot of shock force on the stop pin and other parts. The continued slamming starts to peen the stop pin, and in a titanium frame, the pin can start to peen it's seating.

It all comes down to common sense. As far as car analogies I think it is more like: Taking a sports car and going zero to seventy in first gear and wondering why you have problems. Or shifting a gear or two up to still get there quickly.
 
Grease said:
More like a pricey car that voids the warranty for slamming it into a gear too fast...

It would be stupid if the car were a sports car, but it's not. You aren't going to go street racing in a Bentley, so why do you think you should be wrist flicking a Sebenza?
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Says who? ;)
 
@Scurvy
Reason I said I can't comment much because I haven't handled one of them. It was more a curiosity comment than an argument for or against.

@au5t3n5
On one hand you could save money and that may be true. On the other hand, if somebody is dead set on spending that kind of money on a laptop, you could easily point them to a Windows machine with much better specs.

That said, I did build my own desktop, and I'd love to handle a Sebenza some time.
 
There have been very few threads on BFC with regards to actual experience of CRK refusing to honor their warranty.

I could be wrong, but two that I do recall were started by guys who bought their CRK second or even third hand and knowing that a problem existed but still expected CRK to service them for free, which they would have done except that the knife was obviously abused.

I bought 2 Sebenzas new this year and have no issues with either, but 99.9% of the threads regarding CRK's warranty / repair are positive, and I don't abuse my knives so I have no doubt I will be taken care of should a problem ever arise.

The bottom line is this: CRK seems to be honest and up front about what constitutes abuse, and very few CRK owners are disappointed with their knives.

The good news is that there are several other companies (KAI and Strider seem to pop up frequently) who cater to wrist flickers and prayer bead users and people who have never sharpened a knife but need warranty / repair work because they have worn out the lock mechanism, so flick away!
 
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