Why is flicking damaging to the Reeve knives

FW JSB said:
Absolutely wrong. People can quibble about the cost of CRK's, but the fact is the build quality and tolerances used are worth the money to those willing shell out the money. Social status has nothing to do with it because the knives are built as work tools, no ups no extras. Very purpose built and very functional. It's too bad people feel compelled to express opinions not based in fact. CRK's, in particular, seem to be magnets for bashers.
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Good Point. There is not one person in my "Social" circle who has even heard of CRK, know what they cost, or think I am cooler because I have one. No offence guys and gals but I don't own my CRK to impress any of you. I honestly don't care what any of you think about me because I own a CRK. I own CRK and Hinderer because I am one of those people that like the best craftsmanship money can buy, and that isn't about anyone else but me.
 
Most folks who own Sebenzas don't wrist-flick, any more than Mercedes owners pop it into gear with the engine revved.
Doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense to some people.
 
Sonnydaze said:
Most folks who own Sebenzas don't wrist-flick, any more than Mercedes owners pop it into gear with the engine revved.
Doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense to some people.
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I don't wrist flip. I think it is silly to.

but to say that you can't or it will void a warranty make me feel like I am afraid to touch the knife.. which is a tool and at that price point a replacement pin stop should not be such a big deal when you consider how many people flip such a knife.. I doubt many do. And the few that do. So what. Replace the tiny pin stop.

I wonder how mnay knife that Strider has come back with damage due to wrist flipping. I will guess not many considering how many perfect used ones I see for sale on the exchange.
 
Trying to think about it from a mechanical perspective, when you wrist flick you momentarily over-open the blade causing some deflection beyond the normal stop point which allows the lockbar to go just a little further than it should. The bar is under greater pressure causing accelerated wear to the bar tip, and increased loading to the bar hinge.

Although it wouldn't matter done a couple of times, doing so over and over again would be detrimental in the long term.

I can quite understand why Chris Reeve wouldn't want to warranty knives that have been treated like that.
 
Sonnydaze said:
Most folks who own Sebenzas don't wrist-flick, any more than Mercedes owners pop it into gear with the engine revved.
Doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense to some people.
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I tend to agree with this. I've yet to meet a Sebenza owner that wrist flicks their knives. At least not deliberately. I personally view wrist flicking as something a knife novice would do.
 
CRK, Strider, Grayman, Hinderer; all have certain things that some people don't prefer, relating to design, warranty, maker's personal history, aftermarket cost etc. However, they all have their own standards for their knives and business practices, and most people obviously respect that, or in some cases just don't care. It doesn't hurt anyone if another person buys one of these knives.

I wouldn't, simply because I greatly dislike framelocks esp. of the titanium variety and find them to be a fad with too many gradual flaws. That doesn't mean someone else can't enjoy them, and I think if a maker wants to do things exactly the way they want and still make money off it, kudos to them. This coming from a guy who finds nothing whatsoever appealing about at least two of the above makers. The really awesome knives for me are sprint runs, the new designs with new steels, and knives that equal or surpass both the compression and axis locks. However, someone else may hate those lock styles, or feel the sprint runs are overpriced production knives. They don't have to buy what I like, I don't have to buy what they do. The end.
 
colubrid said:
I don't wrist flip. I think it is silly to.

but to say that you can't or it will void a warranty make me feel like I am afraid to touch the knife.. which is a tool and at that price point a replacement pin stop should not be such a big deal when you consider how many people flip such a knife.. I doubt many do. And the few that do. So what. Replace the tiny pin stop.

I wonder how mnay knife that Strider has come back with damage due to wrist flipping. I will guess not many considering how many perfect used ones I see for sale on the exchange.
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It is not the stop pin that is being destroyed.
Watch the video that has been posted in this thread...at the very end they show a picture of a severely damaged lock face, which means the entire lock side scale needs replaced at around $125 or more.
 
I want to see a damaged sebenza that was damaged from wrist flicking.

I've done it a few times, feel guilty about it, and now want to see proof of damage.
 
Locutus D'Borg said:
Yet another contribution to the recent rash of anti-Sebenza threads started by non-paying members. I'm guessing most are very young.
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Not really. I'm interested in purchasing an Umnumzaan and would like some clarification. I'm trying to discern what the difference is between deploying a flipper designed knife, which tends to deploy exactly like flicking a non flipping knife, i.e. Chris Reeve knives. Are the knives designed differently? I've seen the pivots on a sebenza, and they appear to be moderately high in quality, compared to your standard titanium, frame-lock flipper.

I'm seeing a few negative nancies chime in...excuse me if I interrupted your regularly scheduled program.
 
duro said:
Not really. I'm interested in purchasing an Umnumzaan
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Just buy it already. :)
The ceramic ball lock interface means there will be NO lock-face deformation.
The rubber "dampers" on the thumb stud/blade stops means you won't be wrecking them either.
The pivot was never an issue, on the Umnumzaan OR the Sebenza.

Just buy the Umnumzaan. :thumbup:
 
Cosmic Superchunk said:
I tend to agree with this. I've yet to meet a Sebenza owner that wrist flicks their knives. At least not deliberately. I personally view wrist flicking as something a knife novice would do.
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Have you seen any Nutnfancy video's? He tends to flick his wrist when deploying a blade. He also owns a lot more knives then I. I personally enjoy quick deployment. When I need to use my knife to cut something, a lot of the time, I'm in a pinch and I need to get it done quickly.

I appreciate all of the comments. Great insight.
 
So many times, so many of us, Chris too, we tell you what the deal is. Then the same questions pop up, as if you never read a word we wrote.

It's not flicking that's a problem, it is arm-waving wrist-flicking that can overstress the metal. It's not a couple of times, it is obsessive, hour after hour, slamming the tang into the lock.

Don't over-think this.
 
Esav, he knows better. This is his style Similar to a child asking "but why?" After every answer is given. Wich is why he was asked to stay out of some forums.

mjolnir74 said:
I'm ignorant of this. How is a ZT 0561 designed to take opening better. Not being smart, they are both framelocks. Is the stop pin beefed up?
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Rick Hinderer and Chris Reeve are not the same person, they design different style knives. You would have to ask them.
 
Different knives for different purposes. Wanna wrist flick get a different brand. Want a Sebbie and want to wrist flick it, go for it, just don't be shocked if your warranty goes out the window. Plenty of alternatives, choices, and paths to take.

Personally why miss out on smooth action of a quality made in Idaho by flinging it open?
 
duro said:
Have you seen any Nutnfancy video's? He tends to flick his wrist when deploying a blade. He also owns a lot more knives then I. I personally enjoy quick deployment. When I need to use my knife to cut something, a lot of the time, I'm in a pinch and I need to get it done quickly.

I appreciate all of the comments. Great insight.
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This post explains SOOOOO much about you....
 
My observation is that many people who have never owned a Sebenza are quick to jump to conclusions about the warranty being voided if you wrist flick it. If you own a Sebenza you'll immediately see that it wasn't designed to be opened via wrist flicking. There's a reason they have thumbstuds. That's not to say that in an emergency you can't wrist flick it. It certainly is possible to do so if you flick hard enough, and I seriously doubt you'll damage it. But, let's be real here. There's a difference between the occasional thumb flick and wrist flicking. If spend your time deliberately wrist flicking your knives and cause excessive wear on the stop pins or locks then that's on you. That's not a manufacturing defect.
 
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Chris reeve should make ONE flipper model, like less than 50, just so the kids buy and ruin that one. I swear he would rake in lots of income.

And keep this one knife away from actual CRK building, so it doesn't interfere.

maybe across the street, maybe he could hire a BF member who'd be willing to work for parts or something.
 
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