Why is flicking damaging to the Reeve knives

[cncpro11]

Wrist flicking is NOT the habit of hobbyists. No self respecting collector would do that to their knives. It's amatuerish, mall ninja, tacticool and should only be reserved for certain internet douches. If you can't flick a knife out with your thumb and no wrist flick either learn some technique or get a better knife.

I sure am glad somebody said it.

 

[Lavan]

The Sebenza is hollow ground.
Therefore in my book it is a delicate blade to begin with.

Its history is cost, so the brag factor is its chief claim to fame.

In my measly opinion. :jerk it:

 

[MostMenAreRuthless]

There have been very few threads on BFC with regards to actual experience of CRK refusing to honor their warranty.

I could be wrong, but two that I do recall were started by guys who bought their CRK second or even third hand and knowing that a problem existed but still expected CRK to service them for free, which they would have done except that the knife was obviously abused.

I bought 2 Sebenzas new this year and have no issues with either, but 99.9% of the threads regarding CRK's warranty / repair are positive, and I don't abuse my knives so I have no doubt I will be taken care of should a problem ever arise.

The bottom line is this: CRK seems to be honest and up front about what constitutes abuse, and very few CRK owners are disappointed with their knives.

The good news is that there are several other companies (KAI and Strider seem to pop up frequently) who cater to wrist flickers and prayer bead users and people who have never sharpened a knife but need warranty / repair work because they have worn out the lock mechanism, so flick away!

I really like this post! Words of wisdom folks. . .

 

[Scurvy092]

How much does a Sebenza cost to produce compared to something like a Bradley Alias?

I'll tell you what, if you want to let me borrow a Bradley alias, I will head over to locutus' house and sit down with one of his sebenzas and take detailed pictures and do a write up on why a sebenza costs more to produce than an alias.

Here are three off the top of my head:

Crk's production capacity is much smaller than benchmade so they don't get the big bulk discounts.

Crk crowns the spine of the sebenza

Crk uses a pivot bushing

Now remember that manufacturers (in most retail business so I am just assuming for knives) cost is usually 25% what the retail price is (it's sold for twice what it cost to make to a wholesaler who then doubles it again).

If those 3 items alone add $20 to the cost of making the knife, that knife will now cost $80 more.

 

[KLJTech]

This. Some people's brains are wired to detect the smallest details, they are very detail oriented by nature. Others not so much. Detail oriented people tend to admire the details of fit and finish in knives, watches, cars, etc. Others can't distinguish the difference and don't see what we are talking about.

Great point, watches are yet another item that some would never pay more than the minimum for (or they'll simply check the time on their cell phones) while others appreciate the detail and craftsmanship of a fine watch.

Home audio gear/music is another, it's one of my passions, I have system in my office and one at home in my den. I'll have everything setup perfectly, just the way I want it, the soundstage is deep and wide with the vocals sounding as if they're floating in space between the two speakers, all emanating from a dead silent background. Yet "some" will say that they can hear no soundstage at all, yes they hear the music and will go so far as to say I've never heard that song or piece of music sound so good/so real yet somehow they're unable to perceive spatial clues that are spread out across and beyond the boundaries of the room.

I think maybe these things require a certain level of passion, passion for the fine/smallest details (as you said) because if its lacking, then the appreciation of said details can be, often will be, over looked.

At the moment I'm admiring an Exclusive Edition William Henry B10 w/Mammoth Ivory and Thomas Typhoon Damascus in the latest A.G. Russell catalog, its stunning. Yet I'm willing to bet that my grandfather (he always carried a pocket knife) would have had a heart attack at the mere thought of spending nearly $2000 on a pocket knife. It all just depends on what's important to you (there's no right or wrong) and what you value most in a particular item, be it a car, a knife, a watch, you name it.

What were we talking about?

 

[olybears57]

Just buy a strider and flick it open however you please.

 

[FW JSB]

I've never handled a Sebenza so I don't know if I can comment here, but I've always wondered if a Sebenza is kind of like a MacBook to the knife world. Overpriced, has a certain social status that goes along with it, but when you get down to the OS and the hardware, not too much different from a computer that is $400 less than it is.
One day I'll get to play around with one of them, at which point I believe I'll form my own opinion that I will swing around like fact.

Absolutely wrong. People can quibble about the cost of CRK's, but the fact is the build quality and tolerances used are worth the money to those willing shell out the money. Social status has nothing to do with it because the knives are built as work tools, no ups no extras. Very purpose built and very functional. It's too bad people feel compelled to express opinions not based in fact. CRK's, in particular, seem to be magnets for bashers.

 

[FW JSB]

It's not and it's a terrible comparison. Apple's are made in China, just as cheaply as everything else out there. Why don't you go watch the Blade HQ shop tours of CRK and tell us what other manufacturer goes to the same lengths and detail that they do...

I said it before and I'll say it again. People who can't tell the quality difference between a Sebenza and cheaper framelock folder just aren't detail oriented enough to be able to tell the differences.

Exactly right.

 

[FW JSB]

Just buy a strider and flick it open however you please.

A Strider is a knife, which is a mechanical device like any other folder. With abuse or excessive wrist flicking, which causes undue wear on the joint, it will suffer premature wear, just like any other knife. Stating otherwise is not only disingenuous, it's wrong.

 

[stabman]

If you like flicking, flick away my friends, flick away.
Even the "damaged" knives just get a bit wiggly...they still work as knives.
If you get annoyed by wiggliness, then either buy a knife from a manufacturer that will do warranty work for that minor issue, or pay for the fix.
Simple.

 

[colubrid]

Why doesn't CRK just make a few more stop pins rather then get te bad publicity is my question..

Those little tings can't cost much considering the bad press this whole subject always received.

IMO just make the stop pins and be done with it..

 

[MostMenAreRuthless]

A Strider is a knife, which is a mechanical device like any other folder. With abuse or excessive wrist flicking, which causes undue wear on the joint, it will suffer premature wear, just like any other knife. Stating otherwise is not only disingenuous, it's wrong.

This is a true statement. Strider's warranty however, covers you if your knife needs to be serviced because of excessive flicking, abusing, etc. I suppose the cost to build per unit for Strider is significantly less for Strider because of the decreased acceptable tolerances, yet they still cost as much or more than a CRK. As such, they can replace or repair knives for other issues for which CRK will not.

Strider: Rougher finishes, lower tolerances, but more robust warranty. Costs about the same as a CRK.

CRK: Extremely tight tolerances, elegant and beautiful finishes, but will not warranty abuse.

 

[FW JSB]

The Sebenza is hollow ground.
Therefore in my book it is a delicate blade to begin with.

Its history is cost, so the brag factor is its chief claim to fame.

In my measly opinion. :jerk it

Measly indeed. The Sebenza 25 is much closer to a flat grind than a hollow grind, but even with that, there is nothing "delicate" about a Sebenza 21's grind. The knife is a workhorse and purpose built to be just that. Yet another basher chimes in with claims of "bragging rights" and over pricing.

 

[crom]

Still trying to figure out how aggressive openings cause wear to the lock bar face? I can see damaging the stop pin and titanium in which the pin is housed, but the lock face?

 

[olybears57]

A Strider is a knife, which is a mechanical device like any other folder. With abuse or excessive wrist flicking, which causes undue wear on the joint, it will suffer premature wear, just like any other knife. Stating otherwise is not only disingenuous, it's wrong.

I didn't say that Striders would wear better or worse than any other knife... All I'm saying is that if your Strider develops lock rock, 100% lockup, etc etc. It will be fixed for free with no questions asked... So, as I said before... Buy a strider and flick it open however you please.

 

[MostMenAreRuthless]

Why doesn't CRK just make a few more stop pins rather then get te bad publicity is my question..

Those little tings can't cost much considering the bad press this whole subject always received.

IMO just make the stop pins and be done with it..

Bad publicity? A few naysayers on a knife forum does not equate to bad publicity in my opinion.

Changing their manufacturing processes, that at largess works splendidly, to appease a few naysayers is not a prudent method.

As Mr. Stabman stated: "flick away/" But if you flick your CRK to the point of abuse you risk losing the warranty. Simply another risk vs. reward calculation that only the individual may calculate based on his own circumstances.

 

[Bugout Bill]

The Sebenza is hollow ground.
Therefore in my book it is a delicate blade to begin with.

Its history is cost, so the brag factor is its chief claim to fame.

In my measly opinion. :jerk it:

Delicate?

The Sebenza has way more durable of a grind than it needs, the Sebenza 25 is even worse in that regard. There are alot of reground Sebenzas for a reason.

 

[Scurvy092]

Why doesn't CRK just make a few more stop pins rather then get te bad publicity is my question..

Those little tings can't cost much considering the bad press this whole subject always received.

IMO just make the stop pins and be done with it..

It's not just stop pins... I'm pretty sure flicking the knife cause the lock up to be tighter then it should. Disengaging the tight lock can and will gall the face of the lock bar.

 

[MostMenAreRuthless]

Delicate?

The Sebenza has way more durable of a grind than it needs, the Sebenza 25 is even worse in that regard. There are alot of reground Sebenzas for a reason.

I have not found any threads on here with any examples and 1 lone YT video of re-ground Seb. Do you have any references of where to find this information on the plethora of re-ground Sebs? I am curious to see just how they have come up with a better grind than CRK has.

 

[MRaymond]

To me, it seems quite obvious that the "abused" lock faces are not caused by flicking the knife open. The wear on the knife open 8000 times, aggressively, doesn't have the same wear pattern as the abused lock that is at the end of the video. It seems that kind of damage would require downward force, AKA Batoning... The video clearly shows the kind of wear you can expect from opening the knife "harshly" 8000 times. To me, CRK knives can take flicking open with no issues. Wrist flicking is definitely NOT something that hobbyists do regularly...

Reminds me of this video:

[video=youtube;hztV6nTMKqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hztV6nTMKqY[/video]

If you have ever abused a knife to the extend that those lockbars deforms in those videos you know it takes considerable force to disform/mangle a lock face like that. All I really can contribute is if you live in the USA....why not pick up the phone and call them directly for an answer?