Why Lynn Thompson Rules!

brownie0486 said:
The tool is just that, an inanimate object.

The "intent" of the person charged is where the case will be made or broken by your defense attys [ if they are smart enough ].

As well, the proof would have be in evidence that you knew of that video, perhaps having bought that video, not strictly on the fact you carried a certain product.

If that were the case, the KaBar could be illustrated as a killing weapon, afterall, it has been used in the military for decades, not only as a "tool", but also as a "weapon" of opportunity.

Ot take the Striders as an example. The smart prosecutor could make the case for soldiers carrying them into combat, and thouhg one may never have been used for killing, it could be stated that these folders are used in a combat threatre [ the inference to the jury would be the same, that you are carrying a knife that combat soldiers carry ].

Or to go one step further, one good prosecutor could take the ER straights, whose design of some were expressly made for miliary ops. The list is endless in reality if the prosecutor wants to dig deep enough.

It's the "intent" of your carrying that weapon that will be the issue if your attys are good enough, not the folder you are carrying or the adcopy of that product [ which you may or may not have been aware of to begin with ].

Brownie
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You were doing fairly well up until this post, now your really reaching.

That's really wishful thinking. "your honor, my intention of good deeds should far outweigh the fact that I was carrying a Katana."
 
I don't like everything Lynn Thompson has made. I don't like a lot of the marketing that has become the focus of the last couple pages of this thread. I think the blood and gore marketing has the potential to harm knife ownership, however...

:::blowing nose::: Goddamn, you guys choke me up. I need some more Kleenex.

Someone in here saying that if you own a Cold Steel Product you have no integrity? Therefore you shall go on the ignore list?

Bwahahahahahahah!!! WOW! Someone forgot to apply the [F-BOMB DELETED] ANUSOL before they posted. :D
 
"your honor, my intention of good deeds should far outweigh the fact that I was carrying a Katana."

If the Katana was legal to carry to begin with, your intentions relative the charges would be issue, as I stated before. If the blade was not legal to carry, then the advertising of any company that made it would be irrelevant to the charges and your "intent".

Brownie
 
Try to put the carrying aside for a moment. What if you had to use a knife to defend yourself, at that point, if the knife were legal to carry or not goes right out the window, and all the irresponsible advertizing comes back into play.

And besides that, my concern really isn't individual court cases, but blanket legislation constricting the rights to carry knives overall.

Thats where Cold Steel and many others advertizing is most damming. It paints those tho carry knives on a daily basis with a very broad brush and the overall look of it frankly, isn't good.
 
shotgunner11,

The "dangerous weapons" statutes, which normally cover blades in most states, were enacted long before LT, DOK, or any other company started advertising in any form. Something like 50 years before or longer in fact.

The knife culture states of the late 1800's like Louisiana enacted strict laws loonggg ago as did many other states way back when.

Is advertising affecting stricter enactment presently? I have not seen that, if you have evidence to support it has, please post it here for our edification.

You could blame Jim Bowie, the french and the spanish for helping enact the strict laws in some states a century ago. I don't see that happening here though.

Brownie
 
I cannot see where DOK says anything about anyone other than military and law enforcement using their knives as a weapon. I read the site and never got any impression that they was trying to say anyone else should even buy one. Even though some people here feel that they are not worthy to be used by people that put their life on the line, I truly believe they are made for that very purpose. I could not get any other idea from the write ups on them.
 
Dark Ops website looks like the back of a PSP Tom Clancy Rainbow Six game box. I'm amazed people still bring them up...
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brownie0486 said:
shotgunner11,

The "dangerous weapons" statutes, which normally cover blades in most states, were enacted long before LT, DOK, or any other company started advertising in any form. Something like 50 years before or longer in fact.

The knife culture states of the late 1800's like Louisiana enacted strict laws loonggg ago as did many other states way back when.

Is advertising affecting stricter enactment presently? I have not seen that, if you have evidence to support it has, please post it here for our edification.

You could blame Jim Bowie, the french and the spanish for helping enact the strict laws in some states a century ago. I don't see that happening here though.



Brownie
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OK, if you wish to close your eyes and ignore what IS happening around you, feel free.

Ever read about the "sheeple", I'm only 28yo., been carrying a folding knife for as long as I can remember. When I was younger, I could openly use a Buck 110 without raising a passing glance.

Fast-forward to today, I regularly get comments about my knife carry and use from people who feel it's unnessary and overkill "What, are you afraid you'll get attacked on the way to the Wal-mart?"

Of course, these are the same people who ask to use my knives whenever they need one for some daily task.

Public concern normally preceeds governmental action. More and more often, I'm hearing of people being questioned about their chioce to carry a knife.

The "antis" as I like to call them have their hands full with guns right now, try to deny the pressure to remove guns from the public landscape.

Remember, knives, unlike guns, aren't protected by the constitution.
 
OK, if you wish to close your eyes and ignore what IS happening around you, feel free.

Ever read about the "sheeple", I'm only 28yo., been carrying a folding knife for as long as I can remember. When I was younger, I could openly use a Buck 110 without raising a passing glance.

Whats happening in this country is the ultra liberals and the NWO want everyone to be sheeple, follow their orders and be nuetered of self protection by ANY means, not just guns and knives [ or sticks and rocks for that matter ]. The direction we are headed is not to be able to defend ourselves at all, but be PC and let uncle gov respond to everything [ it's a control thing ].

Knives are but a small part of the overall picture in this scenario we face from the "anti's" as you call them.

It doesn't have to be ignored to understand blaming any one company or person for the way things are heading is not relevant.

Brownie
 
Don Rearic said:
Dark Ops website looks like the back of a PSP Tom Clancy Rainbow Six game box. I'm amazed people still bring them up...
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Just where do they say anything about their knives being used by anyone other than military or law enforcement? No matter what you think about the site as far as looks, I fail to find any reference to another use. If you have please point it out.
 
LT's adcopy always strikes the one exposed nerve a lot of us seem to have. The self-conscious nerve connected to a rage center in the limbic system. I'm thinking anyone carrying a knife which may ever be used by the carrier as a weapon; even if it's just an edc with just that hint of backup potential; should have at least some icewater in their veins to ensure rational behavior. If knowing that Lynn advertizes the weaponsy portion of knives makes you angry, maybe you should leave your knives in a locked case. Maybe you'll never buy Cold Steel products or never buy them again (works for me :thumbup: ), but the free lessons LT gives you are priceless.
 
jill jackson said:
Just where do they say anything about their knives being used by anyone other than military or law enforcement? No matter what you think about the site as far as looks, I fail to find any reference to another use. If you have please point it out.
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Jill,

Don't take this the wrong way, my comment was just an off-handed remark to say, "Dark Ops has been around a long time, old news."

You, Anthony "He has my Gryphon" Lombardo and Robert H. are the bastion of sanity in this thread.

To answer your question after explaining why I'm not your enemy in this thread - when people have a 20% discount to Military or Law Enforcement, I think it goes without saying that they intend on selling to the general public, don't you? Must I produce a portion of text where DOK (as it has come to be known) hawks to the general knife buying public? If I do have to produce that "proof," why?

It's incredibly clear, they know they will be selling to the public...I don't really know what your point is...?

If DOK didn't sell to the knife-buying public, do you think they would still be in business?

Strider, for example, has a large forum-based fan base and they have, IIRC, three knives that are assigned National Stock Numbers, they don't care about a BFC boycott/heat/hatred.

Cold Steel doesn't have anything assigned a NSN, but I think their base of dealers and people who like their stuff and don't regularly post on the internet is incredibly, rock solid. I don't think this thread will hurt Cold Steel a bit.

The reason I bring up Strider and Cold Steel is - Dark Ops doesn't have that forum-based fan base, as far as I know, and they don't have the dealer base for 25 years and they don't have the NSNs, as far as I know.

So, in reality, it doesn't really matter what they are saying, I seriously doubt that Mil-LEO sales are keeping DOK afloat.

This is self-evident, I hope it meets your standard for "proof." Hahahah!
 
thombrogan said:
LT's adcopy always strikes the one exposed nerve a lot of us seem to have. The self-conscious nerve connected to a rage center in the limbic system. I'm thinking anyone carrying a knife which may ever be used by the carrier as a weapon; even if it's just an edc with just that hint of backup potential; should have at least some icewater in their veins to ensure rational behavior. If knowing that Lynn advertizes the weaponsy portion of knives makes you angry, maybe you should leave your knives in a locked case. Maybe you'll never buy Cold Steel products or never buy them again (works for me :thumbup: ), but the free lessons LT gives you are priceless.
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I agree, just because I own a Spyderco civilian and the Spyderco site doesn't say its a wicked weapon if I carve up an attacker with it and go to court when its displayed will not make anyone there think I was carrying it to trim my nails. I enjoy the weapons aspect of knives and buy them with an eye for use as a self-defence weapon. After all most people don't need many knives for everyday tasks.
 
Don Rearic said:
Jill,

Don't take this the wrong way, my comment was just an off-handed remark to say, "Dark Ops has been around a long time, old news."

You, Anthony "He has my Gryphon" Lombardo and Robert H. are the bastion of sanity in this thread.

To answer your question after explaining why I'm not your enemy in this thread - when people have a 20% discount to Military or Law Enforcement, I think it goes without saying that they intend on selling to the general public, don't you? Must I produce a portion of text where DOK (as it has come to be known) hawks to the general knife buying public? If I do have to produce that "proof," why?

It's incredibly clear, they know they will be selling to the public...I don't really know what your point is...?

If DOK didn't sell to the knife-buying public, do you think they would still be in business?

Strider, for example, has a large forum-based fan base and they have, IIRC, three knives that are assigned National Stock Numbers, they don't care about a BFC boycott/heat/hatred.

Cold Steel doesn't have anything assigned a NSN, but I think their base of dealers and people who like their stuff and don't regularly post on the internet is incredibly, rock solid. I don't think this thread will hurt Cold Steel a bit.

The reason I bring up Strider and Cold Steel is - Dark Ops doesn't have that forum-based fan base, as far as I know, and they don't have the dealer base for 25 years and they don't have the NSNs, as far as I know.

So, in reality, it doesn't really matter what they are saying, I seriously doubt that Mil-LEO sales are keeping DOK afloat.

This is self-evident, I hope it meets your standard for "proof." Hahahah!
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No matter, they may depend on people that like that sort of knife buying them, that are not involved with LE or the military. My point being they purely write them them up as hardass military blades. They don't point out weapon use of them by the public. So in a court of law I do believe it would be rather apparent that is the intended use.
 
Jill,

Two College Professors or one and his Wife, I cannot remember, were murdered a couple/few years ago by a couple of young sociopaths. I believe they used knives manufactured by SOG.

I believe the talk about DOK is a bit of a Red (Pickled) Herring.

The point is not Apples & Oranges or Chryslers & Cadillacs.

The point is not to say that some other company does it so what Cold Steel does matters or doesn't matter.

TOPIC: Cold Steel. I like Cold Steel, I have owned Cold Steel Products for about 19 years now and have admired them for about 24.

I like Lynn Thompson. However, like many people in life, I don't like every, single thing that he does.

What I found funny about this thread is the, "If you own his stuff, you're unethical as well and I will now ignore you." I mean, come'on. I'm not selling a thing I have because of that G.I. Tanto. I don't care who ignores me with software, they're probably not smart enough to understand anything I would be stupid enough to tell them, anyway.

I don't think it's a very smart thing to do - putting forth the blood and guts angle on the DVDs, I'll make sure I tell him when I talk to him in the next two weeks.
 
More people are murdered with steak knives than any knife that carried by people that enjoy owning good steel. That's a hard fact. So I don't worry a whole lot about how knives are portrayed by the makers. Most everyone of us that buy decent knives only own them or use them for everyday tasks. A good sharp 10 dollar boning knife and a duct tape and cardboard sheath (from Wal-mart even) is all anyone bent on foul play needs.
 
jill jackson said:
More people are murdered with steak knives than any knife that carried by people that enjoy owning good steel. That's a hard fact. So I don't worry a whole lot about how knives are portrayed by the makers. Most everyone of us that buy decent knives only own them or use them for everyday tasks. A good sharp 10 dollar boning knife and a duct tape and cardboard sheath (from Wal-mart even) is all anyone bent on foul play needs.
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Jill,

I know, you're preaching to the choir, I was born in the morning, not this morning. Kitchen knives in general, screwdrivers second if the 80s trend has held fast.
 
I just think (from my experience) when knives are misused people really don't freak out about the knife. To me its just because there really are no controls on knives other than you have to be 18 to purchase. A knife is common readily available, to the point that even when a man went nuts a few months ago and murdered his entire family with one (in a nearby large city) nothing was brought up about the fact that he could even use a knife to do so. The focus was entirely on him. Just as it would have been if he'd used a hammer or chain saw. There's only so much the law can do to keep weapons away from people that will misuse them.
 
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