Why Lynn Thompson Rules!

I just think (from my experience) when knives are misused people really don't freak out about the knife. To me its just because there really are no controls on knives other than you have to be 18 to purchase. A knife is common readily available, to the point that even when a man went nuts a few months ago and murdered his entire family with one (in a nearby large city) nothing was brought up about the fact that he could even use a knife to do so. The focus was entirely on him. Just as it would have been if he'd used a hammer or chain saw. There's only so much the law can do to keep weapons away from people that will misuse them.

Jill,

They don't freak out yet. "People" is a very generic word, in Britain, they do, in fact, freak out. Why? Because special interest groups and the Government inform them that they should be concerned about the threat of "offensive weapons."

Most knives are banned from public carry in Britain now. I don't know how many Brits will jump in here now and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm exaggerating or whatever, it's true.

The Police got together with Chefs and Trauma Surgeons / E.R. Docs and had this little campaign going on about how you don't need kitchen knives over a certain length and how you didn't need a point on one.

One day, something is going to happen in this country, something is going to change...maybe it will happen after the private ownership of firearms is severely curtailed here...and the very same types of people are going to go after the knife "issue" with a vengeance, they're going to shake it like a terrier because this is what these personality types do.
 
Its even against the law to defend yourself in Britain. A locking blade is forbidden, A firearm is almost impossible to own. Many breeds of dogs are outlawed. I know Don, something may happen to cause a drastic change here one day as well. But I do think the right to keep and bear arms, in a way keeps the ones that would like to prohibit knives at bay, as knives are far less deadly than guns and even they see that. If they can't get our firearms banned, they IMO don't feel knives are obtainable.
 
Jill,

They don't freak out yet. "People" is a very generic word, in Britain, they do, in fact, freak out. Why? Because special interest groups and the Government inform them that they should be concerned about the threat of "offensive weapons."

Most knives are banned from public carry in Britain now. I don't know how many Brits will jump in here now and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm exaggerating or whatever, it's true.

The Police got together with Chefs and Trauma Surgeons / E.R. Docs and had this little campaign going on about how you don't need kitchen knives over a certain length and how you didn't need a point on one.

One day, something is going to happen in this country, something is going to change...maybe it will happen after the private ownership of firearms is severely curtailed here...and the very same types of people are going to go after the knife "issue" with a vengeance, they're going to shake it like a terrier because this is what these personality types do.


It's simple logic: Things outside of people make people evil. Get rid of things, and no crime will ever be commited. Duh... Just think about the last time you turned evil because you were holding an inanimate object. It's okay it's not your fault. Your pencil is too sharp and long, BTW. Here, hold onto this non-toxic crayon instead. They've got it all figured out...
 
Its even against the law to defend yourself in Britain.

Jill,

I know, I wrote an article about it years ago on my website. I have received about four dozen positive E-mails from Brits and about two or three hate mails from Brits about it.

A locking blade is forbidden, A firearm is almost impossible to own. Many breeds of dogs are outlawed.

NYC tried to ban locking blade folders a few years ago, the knife industry didn't stop them, OSHA did. Ha! Firearms are controlled to varying degrees here as well. "Dangerous" breeds of dogs as well. Denver, anyone?

I know Don, something may happen to cause a drastic change here one day as well. But I do think the right to keep and bear arms, in a way keeps the ones that would like to prohibit knives at bay, as knives are far less deadly than guns and even they see that. If they can't get our firearms banned, they IMO don't feel knives are obtainable.

Knives are far less deadly than guns unless you happen to be killed by a knife wielding maniac. :::shrug::: To me, dead is dead. Cars are every bit the killer a firearm is, ask the poor crowd of deadsters in that one horrific incident in California.

I do agree with you, however, that not being able to ban guns has probably kept the control freaks at bay to a large degree, in that, they don't want to waste funds while King Boogeyman Firearm is still out there to be controlled.
 
It's simple logic: Things outside of people make people evil. Get rid of things, and no crime will ever be commited. Duh... Just think about the last time you turned evil because you were holding an inanimate object. It's okay it's not your fault. Your pencil is too sharp and long, BTW. Here, hold onto this non-toxic crayon instead. They've got it all figured out...

Yeah, I know, the old, "If guns cause crime do matches cause arson" argument. You receive no argument from me. As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to carry a concealed handgun or any type of knife you want. Ownership of fully automatic weapons? All for it. I don't care because I'm not terrified of my neighbors the way some people are. Nor do I wish to control my neighbors as some people wish to do.
 
Lynn Thompson certainly is something of a showman, but that helps sell his company's products, and that's a good thing. He sure does sell some wonderful cutlery and a good assortment of other useful and entertaining artifacts! For my usually rather depleted purse (NO, DUMMY, I don't carry a purse!!! It's a figure of speech.), many of his knives and tomahawks are excellent bargains that I can afford to own and feel good about using, too. His line of updated sjamboks are some neat snake slappers! I got a few for Christmas gifts last year from his annual Christmas sale flyer. I gave one to my kayaking buddy to keep the water moccasins out of his little boat when he paddles back into the swamps, and another one to my big, old, mean sister-in-law (a woman you wouldn't want to piss off) for the snakes in her yard. I've used Cold Steel's rattan staffs for walking sticks and given some of them away, too. Tough as nails! I started buying their knives so long ago now that they were cheap by comparison with today's prices, and I quickly found out how nearly perfect those they sometimes sell as "seconds" are, too. Those "seconds" really were -- and still are -- dirt cheap for all the quality they give you. I dare you to find a defect in one. At $20 a crack those Bushman knives they sell have to be one of the very best big knives for the money you can get anywhere in the world, too. The only things I know of comparable to them in value are the excellent little $10 Swedish knives by Frost's and K. J. Eriksson, and the under $10 wood-handled French folders by Opinel. I'm not even going to try to remember all the Cold Steel knives, tomahawks, and other toys I have, nor will I attempt to list them all, but I know there are two or three each of the SRKs, Trailmasters, and Recon Tantos around the house, all in that great Carbon V steel they use. Suffice it to say I've owned a bunch of Lynn Thompson's knives and other "toys" and I still have most of them, many still brand new in their wrappers and they're definitely worth more than I paid for them. I contend that good steel is the most "precious metal" a man can invest in. If I had to name one thing to gripe about in the case of Cold Steel it's that if you find something that really turns you on you had better not wait long to buy yourself at least one, because they often have what I think is a great product and then it soon becomes unavailable, for whatever reason. Often something I've seen and thought about in one catalog is no longer in their next catalog six months later. You snooze, you lose! :eek:
 
It doesn't have to be ignored to understand blaming any one company or person for the way things are heading is not relevant.

Brownie


I'm glad we can agree to an extent.

I'm not singling Cold Steel out for any other reason execpt that their pres. is the topic of this thread.

I also feel that they are one of the bigger offenders just due to their very aggressive advertizing. Who else will send you out a DVD without a purchase.

I'm glad to see that some others share my concern as far as legislation and the winds of change in our country are concerned, even if you don't share my opinion on the culprits.
 
I have no problem with people that purchase things from companies that I think have poor ethics.

I do however have problems with people that state in an almost proud fashion that it doesn't matter to them if the company is run by a thief, liar, uses slave labor, whatever, so long as they get what they want for the price they want. I will also tell those people want I think.


Keith, those two statements are quite contradictory in nature. Are you saying that you don't have a problem with someone buying a product you don't support as long as you don't know about it? It seems that way from the above statements. Most people don't know anything about the company they buy anything from to begin with. It would be impossible to expect every person to research the company before buying their prodicts. If they did research it, they'd find most companies or their owners would fall under the title of "thief, liar, uses slave labor". How would anyone be able to determine the owner had not cheated on his spouse once, lied to his boss once, etc? It would be impossible.

What i'm saying is that people are going to purchase things that are made by unethical companies. As you say, most people won't even know about it. My problem is with the people that do know they are dealing with an unethical company and in a seemingly proud fashion state that they don't give a damn as long as they are getting what they want for the price they want. I probably purchase products where some of the parts were made in sweat shops or by forced labor. If I don't know, there isn't anything I can do about it. However, if I find out that this is the case, I stop purchasing products by that company. Those that think whatever these companies are doing is okay as long as they get what they want make me sick. There is no other way to put it, they make me sick.
 
I wish the green and red chiclets were still around. That's one green-chiclet post.

Sure I took generic amoxicillin for my bacterial pneumonia, but that was just my life. These knives are more important than that! Store brand ketchup is for people with questionable ethics.

That said, I like round holes to have Spyderco's knife or one licensed by Spyderco to use that trademark around them and only like assisted opening knives from Kershaw.

Sorry don't understand what you mean by green-chiclet post.
 
Monocrom;

You seem to be saying you believe in absolutes in this world, and of course there are none. It's something perhaps to strive for, but rarely, if ever, found in the real world.

Back to that "perception" again.:rolleyes:

Brownie

Well, not really. I know that some things are based on perception and people's individual beliefs. But I disagree that there are no absolutes left in this world. Some things are still universal. People's reactions to them might be different.

For example: A child-rapist might get tossed into prison, put into a program of some sort here in America. In other so-called, less civilized places; they hang the bastard! Sometimes without "due process." Oh well....

There are other absolutes left in the world. Those things aren't about perception at all.
 
I have read many statements that state Lynn Thompson is unethical and the Cold Steel is an unethical company. What I read is unsubstantiated but within this forum, accepted as fact. Most of the text appears to be hearsay, innuendo, and does not meet a very high criteria for accuracy or substantive ness.

Also, what are the industry norms? Is the criticism of Cold Steel ignoring identical behaviors and practices in the industry because the critics are unaware or just because they are focusing only on Cold Steel? :jerkit:

I would be curious to know if critics of Cold Steel can provide a factual basis, preferable like a link to something in “print”, that can substantiate the criticisms.

K.

Here you go: Here's the negative article that LT wrote regarding 420J2 steel..... before he started using it himself.

http://www.coldsteel.com/articles1.html

Scroll down to "RIPOSTE - American Handgunner: How Other Mfrs Rip you off (Fall 1997)."

Scroll down to the 2nd page, start reading where it says "Steel."

That's the thing about LT.... you don't have to make up $#^t to prove your point. ;)
 
I would be curious to know if critics of Cold Steel can provide a factual basis, preferable like a link to something in “print”, that can substantiate the criticisms.

Ask Bob Lum if Cold Steel stole his design of the "American Tanto" and went into production with an inferior copy.

You can call him on the telephone yourself, if you need the number, I will provide it.


That would be a start.

FWIW, the first Cold Steel tantos were mfg'd by Buck Knives, but being a far more ethical company, they turned the business down, after Cold Steel's first round of advertising, which specifically stated that the knives could penetrate kevlar vests.

All you need to do in that case is find some of Cold Steel's introductory advertisements.

At that time, the only people with kevlar vests were police officers.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Ask Bob Lum if Cold Steel stole his design of the "American Tanto" and went into production with an inferior copy.

You can call him on the telephone yourself, if you need the number, I will provide it.


That would be a start.

FWIW, the first Cold Steel tantos were mfg'd by Buck Knives, but being a far more ethical company, they turned the business down, after Cold Steel's first round of advertising, which specifically stated that the knives could penetrate kevlar vests.

All you need to do in that case is find some of Cold Steel's introductory advertisements.

At that time, the only people with kevlar vests were police officers.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Slamfire,

Go to any forum frequented by Strider fans and ask about CS!

Go to any forum frequented by Emerson fans and ask about CS!

Go to any forum frequented by fans of the Karambit and ask about CS!

Better yet, do a freakin search! You've defended CS several times, talked all smack about the "haters", yet you don't know the myriad of reasons some people don't like the company? Just do an "advanced search", look for the words, "Cold Steel", and use the member name, "DngrRuss1". That should answer every question you have as to why CS ain't exactly loved around here!

Regards,
3G
 
It's really goofy the way everyone is even going back 25+ years ago to sling the mud about Lynn Thompson. Jill pointed out earlier that it was a *big deal* to get a shaving sharp knife out of the box in that time frame, it's true.

The article from Riposte, that's ten years old wasn't enough, no, go back to the early protos of the tanto, Lynn stole everything.

A guy posts an intelligent response about that article, oh no! Ask Strider fans! Ask Emerson fans! Ask EVERYONE!

B.S.

The level of goofy behavior does not hang on a 20+ year old controversy with Lum's prototypes or a decade old article on steel.

What Lynn did, as far as I can tell, to piss people off is - he copied a Strider knife and then had the audacity to say what Mick Strider has admitted to. And used it for ad copy on the G.I. Tanto.

Was it nice?

No, not really.

It was rather in your face and it seems to me that all parties involved are adults and they don't need any of us fighting their battles for them. I learned that lesson a few years ago about cheerleading, you're not going to get anything for it even if you are right or can convince yourself that you're right so why bother?

"Because it's the ethical thing to do!"

Please.

I'm not cheerleading, I just find it ludicrous that some people are going to come away from this thread "ignoring" other people or even despising them out of the false sense of "ethics" or "morality."

There are many people mentioned in this thread, people from the industry. Love Lynn Thompson or hate him, that's your decision and your business, but if you do not give him his due, for what he has accomplished, then you're simply being unethical yourself judging by your own high standards. Going back and then saying that all of the early advertising was (hinting) Anti - Law Enforcement is so incredibly reaching I can't even begin to address it. More importantly, I don't care to, it's stupid.
 
It's really goofy the way everyone is even going back 25+ years ago to sling the mud about Lynn Thompson. Jill pointed out earlier that it was a *big deal* to get a shaving sharp knife out of the box in that time frame, it's true.

Love Lynn Thompson or hate him, that's your decision and your business, but if you do not give him his due, for what he has accomplished, then you're simply being unethical yourself judging by your own high standards. Going back and then saying that all of the early advertising was (hinting) Anti - Law Enforcement is so incredibly reaching I can't even begin to address it. More importantly, I don't care to, it's stupid.

Mr. Rearic,

The title of the Thread was "Why Lynn Thompson Rules".

He doesn't rule. He set up a business mode 25+ years ago, and has kept to it.

He runs a dirty game. That has nothing to do with anyone else at all, and certainly has nothing to do, IMO, with his most recent ethics breaches.

I know LOTS of people that are successful in business, and long lived, and have flat out no loyalty, honesty or honor. Do they deserve my "due" for what they have accomplished?

No, they deserve my sympathy for "missing out" on some of the more important things in life.

If you think thats' stupid, than there is absolutely nothing that I could say to you to change your mind, and would not waste my time trying.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
The tool is just that, an inanimate object.

The "intent" of the person charged is where the case will be made or broken by your defense attys [ if they are smart enough ].

As well, the proof would have be in evidence that you knew of that video, perhaps having bought that video, not strictly on the fact you carried a certain product.

If that were the case, the KaBar could be illustrated as a killing weapon, afterall, it has been used in the military for decades, not only as a "tool", but also as a "weapon" of opportunity.

Ot take the Striders as an example. The smart prosecutor could make the case for soldiers carrying them into combat, and thouhg one may never have been used for killing, it could be stated that these folders are used in a combat threatre [ the inference to the jury would be the same, that you are carrying a knife that combat soldiers carry ].

Or to go one step further, one good prosecutor could take the ER straights, whose design of some were expressly made for miliary ops. The list is endless in reality if the prosecutor wants to dig deep enough.

It's the "intent" of your carrying that weapon that will be the issue if your attys are good enough, not the folder you are carrying or the adcopy of that product [ which you may or may not have been aware of to begin with ].

Brownie
Every felony under Ohio law has a required mental element ("mens rea"). In this case, the mental element of CCW is "knowlingly," not "intentionally":
"No person shall knowingly carry. . . any deadly weapon . . . ." ("deadly weapon" as defined in Post 170 above).

"Knowingly" miodifies "carry, allowing a defense that you did not know the knife was in your pocket, bag, glove compartment.

Under Ohio law it is irrelevant that the defendant did not know the knife was a "deadly weapon." The elements of the offense are made out if: 1) the defendant knowlingly carried the knife; and 2) the knife fits the statutory definition of "deadly weapon." (Hence the maxim, "Ignorance of the law is no defense.")

(An affirmative defense of reasonable necessity for self-defense may be attempted. )

I would not advise concealed carry of a Ka-Bar, an ER, or any Strider, given the available evidence that they are made as combat weapons. Many Cold Steel products, some not knives, fall into the same category of risk.

Can it happen? Yes. Ohio citizens have been convicted of carrying knives under the CCW statute (2923.12), a felony.

Of course, the CCW statute does not preclude open carry, but folks have been charged with disturbing the peace or creating panic for open carry of weapons.

Law varies by jurisdiction, from place-to-place, and from one LEO to another.
 
"your honor, my intention of good deeds should far outweigh the fact that I was carrying a Katana."

If the Katana was legal to carry to begin with, your intentions relative the charges would be issue, as I stated before. If the blade was not legal to carry, then the advertising of any company that made it would be irrelevant to the charges and your "intent".

Brownie
Unless you have four votes on the Supreme Court of Ohio, your "I stated" does not count for much. :D
 
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