Why Remove the Prices?

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Czechmate said:
Removing the price can be a benefit too; some folks here liquidate knives (read; devalues) for lower than they probably should when they need a quick buck; at least that's how it appears to me. So, by not having the lowball price left visible, the community is able to retain higher resale cost... Or something like that.

In summary,taking out the price could be seen as both a positive as well as a negative depending on whether you're buying or selling...
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I've never seen this happen (a knife getting devalued) because someone needs "a quick buck" without a comment to that effect in the body of the post.

I know that this is a privately owned site and that what the owner says goes. I'm just asking for a new rule (or a change in an old rule). Those who don't want to leave their prices up after a sale closes, will merely delete their original posts and the subject line entirely. Those who want to mark their posts as "sold" but leave the price intact, can do that.

That way those of us who are doing searches looking for informatoin about pricing won't be bogged down by search results that don't show it.
 
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I see it all the time. Would you rather buy a NIB Sebenza for $410 from a store, or spend $350 on the same knife in possibly the same condition from an individual with good feedback on the forum? People have an intrinsic desire to get a deal on anything they buy.
 
New rules are like new laws.As in there are too many already.No more new rules please.

Check eBay's completed listings if you want to see the recent value on a knife.
 
RevDevil said:
I see it all the time. Would you rather buy a NIB Sebenza for $410 from a store, or spend $350 on the same knife in possibly the same condition from an individual with good feedback on the forum? People have an intrinsic desire to get a deal on anything they buy.
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Not sure what this has to do with the topic under discussion.
 
JTR357 said:
New rules are like new laws.As in there are too many already.No more new rules please.

Check eBay's completed listings if you want to see the recent value on a knife.
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Checking that site is a horrorshow for several reasons. One is that people tag their sales with keywords that have nothing to do with the item for sale. Another is that if you're looking for an original, but that maker has collaborated with a production maker, you get all the collaborations too. Try doing a search for "Hinderer" and you get all the Hinderer-Gerbers on the site, and those greatly outnumber the Hinderers. Do a search for "Strider" and you get all the collaborations with Buck AND the silly stuff from some fantasy movies that feature a character named "Strider."

If you're looking for the price of a rare or out of production knife it may never have appeared there. Chances are that it will have been sold here.

In any case, I much prefer dealing with people here. Perhaps due to a "community feeling."

Yes, this adds to the number of rules, but it makes the forum much more useful and functional.

Most people go back into their sales ads to mark them "sold" so they don't keep getting offers and inquiries. If they don't want to leave up their prices all they have to do is "select all" and then delete the ad.
 
thegoodedge said:
They reopened my account after I signed an online affidavit agreeing to never offer PP as a form of payment for item in their "restricted items" list.
They even agreed that it's not illegal to sell these items but they choose not to allow their services for them. Total BS!!!
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Wow, that is BS. They let online knife stores use it, and let Ebay use it on knife sales. Doesn't make sense that they would try to make you stop, but not them.



I leave my price up, but don't think it should be a rule that all must.
 
RevDevil said:
Common sense should be tour guide. Also, we don't delete threads here.
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I agree that common sense should be the guide.

BTW, I said nothing of "deleting a thread." In one place I said "... delete the ad." In another, I said "...delete their original posts and the subject line entirely." Neither of those will have any effect on the rest of the thread, but it WILL improve the information content of the site, one reason, I think, that it exists.

One poster said that the price is not the only information that he looks for in older ads. What else might you be looking for that would not be found in the ads that people left up, that contained the prices?
 
I delete my price. In my opinion it's a matter of privacy between the buyer and seller. I've had several forum members ask me what I sold a knife for and I always tell them to ask the buyer if they wanna know because in my opinion that should be left up to the buyer if he wants everyone to know what he paid for a knife.
 
vwb563 said:
I delete my price. In my opinion it's a matter of privacy between the buyer and seller. I've had several forum members ask me what I sold a knife for and I always tell them to ask the buyer if they wanna know because in my opinion that should be left up to the buyer if he wants everyone to know what he paid for a knife.
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This :thumbup:

I never understood what it is that makes some people feel entitled to this information when they had no part in the transaction.
It takes all kinds I guess.
 
Rules for the Exchange: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=699&a=98

1. Yes, we have enough rules. Until someone thinks up a new scam and we need a rule to shut it down.
2. We have a rule that forbids relisting knives within 14 days of the original listing. Some members try to hide this by deleting the original post and title. And you are encouraging others to help camouflage their efforts? Thanks, but no.
3. Read the rules again. Spark encourages buyers and sellers to make their own arrangements. He has pretty consistently avoided adding rules that do not help them do that. The buyer and the seller are the only people that need to know the price involved.
4. More rules mean more moderator involvement. Let's make a poll to find how many people prefer contented moderators with less reasons to get involved in their business. OK, let's just guess. :)
 
FLymon said:
I never understood what it is that makes some people feel entitled to this information when they had no part in the transaction.
It takes all kinds I guess.
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It never fails to amaze me how some people simply don't get it. I said nothing about "being entitled to ... information." It's a service that those who wish to provide, do so. It gives other forum members information about knife purchases. If, for whatever reason you have, you don't wish to provide that service then don't. So much for "community spirit."

You're right, it DOES take all kinds.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Rules for the Exchange: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=699&a=98
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Yes, I've read them. I was suggesting a modification, one that many folks seem to support.

Esav Benyamin said:
2. We have a rule that forbids relisting knives within 14 days of the original listing. Some members try to hide this by deleting the original post and title. And you are encouraging others to help camouflage their efforts? Thanks, but no.
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I am encouraging NO ONE to violate the rules of this forum. That's an extremely unfair statement. I was suggesting a modification to the rules that exist to provide more information to the members and to make searches for information easier, again, one that many folks support.

Thanks for your response, even it if wasn't the one I was hoping for.

Esav Benyamin said:
3. Read the rules again.
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Why, what have I missed?

Esav Benyamin said:
Spark encourages buyers and sellers to make their own arrangements. He has pretty consistently avoided adding rules that do not help them do that. The buyer and the seller are the only people that need to know the price involved.
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I'm not talking about need. If someone wants privacy, and does not want to provide such information, that's fine with me. I was just trying to streamline searches for information, that's always a good thing.

Esav Benyamin said:
4. More rules mean more moderator involvement.
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I volunteered to be "that guy." No existing moderator would have to so much as lift a finger. I run a couple of forums and so I know that it's easy to set someone up with limited moderator privileges.

Esav Benyamin said:
Let's make a poll to find how many people prefer contented moderators with less reasons to get involved in their business. OK, let's just guess.
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How about we make a poll to measure how many support my rule change? Just kidding of course. I've gotten my answer. You aren't open to my proposal and so I'll let it go. Thanks anyway.
 
Lou,
This is the Reference that Esav wanted you to notice in the rules:
14.You are not required to edit out, or leave in place, the original or final selling price. That is your prerogative

The rules are the result of many years of forum activity. It is the owners wishes that sales (in regards to pricing) not have to be moderated.
 
I'm with Lou. I have always found it extremely annoying. The main reason I do searches like that are to get an idea of what I can ask for an item that I may be selling or an idea of what I may have to pay for an item thgat I want. This is especially important for automatics (not available on eBay) or out of production/hard to find knives. I can't count the times I have done searches, clicked on a link to this forum and been met with "asking SOLD". It's annoying as all hell. And when a buyer or seller doesn't want anyone to know what they bought/sold a knife for then it automatically sends up a red flag for me that some underhanded BS is going on....
 
Orion said:
And when a buyer or seller doesn't want anyone to know what they bought/sold a knife for then it automatically sends up a red flag for me that some underhanded BS is going on....
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Like what? I can't recall a time where I saw a removed price and thought something was "underhanded" or amiss. I thought that is what the feedback portion of the forum was for.
I can understand how not having a ton of available pricing at my fingertips makes it difficult to make a buying decision at times. But I have never felt angry at a past thread or seller that removed possible bread crumbs for me to follow to a good buy. I guess I have always felt like if there isn't available data, then do I as a grownup want to pay the asking price offered to obtain the item.
I can't help but feel like the anger over lack of available data is indicitive of an entitlement mentality. Buying knives online is a commodity. If someone deleted a price and made it harder for you to make a purchase decision, be greatful you get to make the decision in the first place and move on.
I have bought and sold here, and sure it would be great if it was easier to decide at what exact price to list and buy at. But I never expected anything to be easy or handed to me.
Just how I see it.
 
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I guess I just look at the internet as a resource of information. It's just rather annoying when there "is available data" but people go out of their way to hide it. I cannot think of a single reason I would want to hide the price that I bought or sold a knife for. The fact that some people don't want anyone to know just sends up a red flag for me. That coupled with Lou's argument that it wastes a lot of time when doing searches...
 
Karda said:
Lou,
This is the Reference that Esav wanted you to notice in the rules:
14.You are not required to edit out, or leave in place, the original or final selling price. That is your prerogative

The rules are the result of many years of forum activity. It is the owners wishes that sales (in regards to pricing) not have to be moderated.
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Karda, Esav, please never hand over the For Sale section to anyone who'd require us to delete the whole post if we choose to delete that price. Thank you.
 
I would like to see the prices remain. I read the ads frequently to see what is for sale and what the pricing is, the current pricing is an important factor to me when I am considering a certain item for purchase. Also on rare occasions when I consider selling something older from my collection I would want a good resource to research for pricing information.

If prices are removed then that makes it easier for a future seller to set his own price for an object. Pricing changes with time due to a number of factors and not having a lot of older prices to conform to allows this to happen. I think a lot of sellers have this in mind because they can sell their next knife at a higher price if the market changes and will bear it. I don't buy the "privacy" agument, I can't imagine that a seller cares that much about the privacy of the buyer. And I don't think you can tell for sure from threads who bought the item and what they paid for it. More than 50% of the time when I post "I'll take it" on a thread, I don't get the knife because someone else buys it via email. And several times when I've posted "2nds" on a thread I got the item because a problem with the person who posted "I'll take it". And I figure that people that contact sellers via email probably barter with them too. There was even one time where a seller posted in his ad that the first person who posted "I'll take it" would get the item, priority was given to posts in the forum vs. email, I posted very quickly that I would take the item, he still sold it to someone that contacted him via email in direct violation of his own stated terms.
 
The OP started this as a discussion but turned it into a rule change request. Shouldn't it be moved to Tech Support?
 
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