Why the dislike for the wave feature?

[Goose 7279]

Strange thread... who cares for the dislike of the wave if, in fact, you like it. I like it, it works for me, and I prefer my modern folder/edc has one (of some sort). And those who don't like the wave need not buy one... and we can all still be buddies. My edc is an Emerson Super 7, and most of the time--just about all of the time--I draw it without using the wave, open it via the thumb disk, use it, and put it back in my pocket. The few times I waved it for use (aside from the times it was waved for fun), my other hand was occupied and it was convenient to wave it... and it worked as advertised. I simply like it, and it's cool if you don't... we're still good.

I like you man. your crazy but i like you.
Totally agree i love the wave it is an awesome tool as for it ripping up pants buy some carhartt pants or deluth firehose pants or any pants that are made to work in the wave feature eats those bedazled skinny jeans up. But with man pants it doesnt do that. I currently own only two emersons but i have had a bunch and for my edc at work give me cqc 15 anyday its nice because i can open my knife whithout having to take off my gloves. But i still love me some traditionals and my sebenza on my days off.

 

[PuddleMonkey]

 

[Juicin]

I don't like the wave for the simple reason it's butt ugly

It seems like an obviously functional additional to the blade profile, but I don't think there is a way to make something that protrudes like that appealing.

I could imagine it actually shaving time off your reaction as long as you kept your pant choice consistent.

 

[DocJD]

Not sure why it's a big deal . If you don't like it or feel the need for speed , just don't buy it !

I find it to be very fast and convenient but I still use many folders w/o the wave .

If you're actually counting on the wave to work every time for some emergency or SD eventuality , you might want to practice alternate methods in case of failure . And make it reflexive .

There's also the tendency of some waves in some types of pockets/fabrics to get hung-up . That's only made worse under stress .

Weirdly , some of my most reliable waves are zip tie mods ! Talk about UGLY . Don't care , if it works it's beautiful to me .

 

[Aias]

I like you man. your crazy but i like you.
Totally agree i love the wave it is an awesome tool as for it ripping up pants buy some carhartt pants or deluth firehose pants or any pants that are made to work in the wave feature eats those bedazled skinny jeans up. But with man pants it doesnt do that. I currently own only two emersons but i have had a bunch and for my edc at work give me cqc 15 anyday its nice because i can open my knife whithout having to take off my gloves. But i still love me some traditionals and my sebenza on my days off.

:thumbup: Cool brother--my Carhartts agree! Love my traditionals too, but my Super 7 gets carried everyday for general use. It works, and the wave is an added bonus. If I could, I'd likely skip folders altogether--love my fixed blades most. But walking around LA with a Busse on my belt (even if it is generally legal if unconcealed according to state law) will just attract the wrong kind of attention. Take it easy Goose...

 

[ursamajor]

I carry a blade because I live in California.
There is no state wide CCW

Well see if Trump keeps his word, and institutes nation wide CCW recognition.


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[Jamesh Bond]

Putting aside the fact that you answered your own question...

You state it just takes one additional simple step to prevent it from opening. I'd counter that it just takes one additional simple step to open it. What's the difference?

If you want your knife to open when you pull it from your pocket, then a "waved" knife is probably right for you.

I want the knife is out of my pocket and completely under my control before I open it, so a "waved" knife isn't for me.

Your way isn't wrong. But mine isn't either.

No additional steps were stated. Only one step, just a bit different.

Also, I did not answer my own question if you read the context. Those examples were clearly included to specifically eliminate blatantly obvious no brainers and highlight the overall point.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Along those lines of thought, that some people would remove the assist feature on a flipper I find totally amazing... Because flippers can more easily defeat a strong detent, and a strong detent is safer, flippers are the only liner locks that I really like. If a flipper had a wave feature added it wouldn't be a deal breaker, depending on how bulky it is or how it looks, but a strong detent might get in the way of the wave feature working...

Gaston

My Emerson Sheepdog has a pretty solid detent. Flips and waves nicely. Not that bulky either in my opinion, so it might be worth a look.

 

[Spey]

Couple thoughts related to what I've read here. . .

I am somewhat confused by those saying they don't want their knife to open when they take it out of their pocket. ???

Why on earth are you taking it out unless you're going to cut something? Why do you carry a knife? ???
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Jamesh Bond,
Please understand that I do not mean to call you out, entertain confrontational assault, etc.
You asked a question (actually a few), that from my perspective I thought I might answer with first hand perspective.
It is my hope that you will receive my comments simply as informative from another's experiences.

RE: "... confused by those saying they don't want their knife to open when they take it out of their pocket. ??? "
There are many ways to use a folding knife (as a tool) without opening the blade, and/or without fully opening the blade. Descriptive ref's below.

RE: "Why on earth are you taking it out unless you're going to cut something?"
Many uses ... . A few examples include;
1) Cap lifter (similar to using a Bic, for those familiar with this technique).
2) Anything where a pressure, leverage tool can be utilized.
3) Defensive non-lethal applications including principals used with Koppo Stick and Kubotan (substitute the folder for either of those tools), and pressure-points like in Kyusho, dim mak, etc. With training, any hard rigid object (like a closed folder), can be very effective tool for use as a force/leverage multiplier. Any tool that is with you always, can be trained with for various applications.
4) Striking tool.

Additionally; many times when I need to cut something, I only need to barely open a folder to just expose the tip or first inch of the blade to accomplish the task at hand. If the entire length of the blade is not needed, why fully open a folder ...? Examples of how & when this type of use can be critically important include use of a knife in public places where others could feel threatened (post office, public school, etc., etc.). Cutting string, smaller lines, straps, opening envelopes, cleaning finger-nails, etc. etc. This type of application becomes more useful as blade lengths get longer (4" and longer) and the blade portion near the ricasso is not needed.

RE: "Why do you carry a knife?"
Multiple reasons, many beyond simply using to just cut something.

Hopefully, something of use here.

Regards,

 

[znapschatz]

Please don't take offense, but it seems to me that the wave feature is nothing more than a solution in search of a problem, or a play time novelty. I never discount the need for recreation.

 

[Lycosa]

No offense taken but the Wave is a great option on a folder. One can use it or not. And, IF needed, the Wave can be used to open the the knife one handed.
rolf

 

[Jamesh Bond]

Jamesh Bond,
Please understand that I do not mean to call you out, entertain confrontational assault, etc.
You asked a question (actually a few), that from my perspective I thought I might answer with first hand perspective.
It is my hope that you will receive my comments simply as informative from another's experiences.

RE: "... confused by those saying they don't want their knife to open when they take it out of their pocket. ??? "
There are many ways to use a folding knife (as a tool) without opening the blade, and/or without fully opening the blade. Descriptive ref's below.

RE: "Why on earth are you taking it out unless you're going to cut something?"
Many uses ... . A few examples include;
1) Cap lifter (similar to using a Bic, for those familiar with this technique).
2) Anything where a pressure, leverage tool can be utilized.
3) Defensive non-lethal applications including principals used with Koppo Stick and Kubotan (substitute the folder for either of those tools), and pressure-points like in Kyusho, dim mak, etc. With training, any hard rigid object (like a closed folder), can be very effective tool for use as a force/leverage multiplier. Any tool that is with you always, can be trained with for various applications.
4) Striking tool.

Additionally; many times when I need to cut something, I only need to barely open a folder to just expose the tip or first inch of the blade to accomplish the task at hand. If the entire length of the blade is not needed, why fully open a folder ...? Examples of how & when this type of use can be critically important include use of a knife in public places where others could feel threatened (post office, public school, etc., etc.). Cutting string, smaller lines, straps, opening envelopes, cleaning finger-nails, etc. etc. This type of application becomes more useful as blade lengths get longer (4" and longer) and the blade portion near the ricasso is not needed.

RE: "Why do you carry a knife?"
Multiple reasons, many beyond simply using to just cut something.

Hopefully, something of use here.

Regards,

No offense taken, spey. I wouldn't be on a discussion forum if I couldn't handle discussion.

To the contrary, that was a well worded counter to my thoughts, and is very much worth chewing on.

Interestingly, despite owning 3 Emersons, I've never gotten the famed "bottle opener" to work at all. I keep trying, but after a few futile attempts, with the hook sliding off the cap instead of grabbing it, I end up using the spine instead. Lol.

Thx.



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[Charlie Mike]

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[Jamesh Bond]

Please don't take offense, but it seems to me that the wave feature is nothing more than a solution in search of a problem, or a play time novelty. I never discount the need for recreation.

I'm a fan, but I completely agree. They are gimmicks. Fun gimmicks, and very beneficial under certain circumstances, but they are also a crutch.

As a few here have said, know other ways to open as backup if speed is important. No matter the method, it is never good to be limited to one. It's important to understand something for what it is and isn't.

For those that have identified their preferences honestly, waves are addictive and pretty useful.

But like anything else, know your limitations, be aware and clear headed about your justification and reasons, and just enjoy enjoying the knife!

 

[brownshoe]

No offense taken but the Wave is a great option on a folder. One can use it or not. And, IF needed, the Wave can be used to open the the knife one handed.
rolf

Right On Lycosa.

Plus it's cool. If you are a true knife knut, you like anything that's cool on a knife.

Those who say you can't remove a waved blade from your pocket w/o opening it obviously don't own one. Just put your finger on the blade spine.

My favorite is the Spyderco Pikal. For some reason that fugly knife with the rod out of the spine has a visceral attraction. Maybe because it looks like a knife with a p***s

It took me 5 years until I saw one in the flesh and then 3 months until I got to try one in a store, I bought it immediately...after flinging the knife across the room, luckily it did not open It took me one day to master the blade and I got three cuts on my palm trying to close the ball lock like a axis lock.

I use it for what it is designed for, and luckily except for a few practice cuts, it's never been used.

 

[rje58]

This!!!

And I can open almost all my knives (except the traditionals) with one hand. Thumb studs, Spydie holes, discs, flippers, all work. I'm not a big AO fan, but those are another option, as well.

speaking only for myself, i don't want my knife to open when i draw it from my pocket. As such, the wave feature is not only unnecessary; it's undesirable.

because, i'm not a tactical operator and i have no interest or need to have it open immediately exiting my pocket.

it looks stupid, tears up your pocket and is an unreliable deployment method when someone is about to chop your head off with a machete. Just my opinion.

i can open a knife very fast manually and think a wave is more bother than benefit.

 

[znapschatz]

No offense taken but the Wave is a great option on a folder. One can use it or not. And, IF needed, the Wave can be used to open the the knife one handed.
rolf

But I can already open a knife one handed. That's what the spydie hole or thumb stud is for. Those can be engaged even before the knife is fully where it has to be, so how does a wave speed things up in practice?

To everybody on this thread: Can anyone come up with real life examples where waving accomplished something of practical value that no other opening method could have done, including opening beer bottles ?

 

[Charlie Mike]

Intimidation ... When I was a meth dealer.

(it worked)

 

[Lycosa]

znap- We're talking about the Wave, not the Spyderhole or thumbstuds.

 

[stabman]

Interestingly, despite owning 3 Emersons, I've never gotten the famed "bottle opener" to work at all. I keep trying, but after a few futile attempts, with the hook sliding off the cap instead of grabbing it, I end up using the spine instead. Lol.

The wave on the Spyderco Endura works the best of all for opening beers.
It is by far the best beer opener that either my wife or me own.

With Emersons, it really depends on the model and the individual knife.
The wave on my Karambit sure won't open beer. I'd have to modify it with a Dremel if I wanted that capability from it.