Wicked Edge Owners....

I think I kinda had an epiphany regarding my edges the other day. I have the basic, ceramics and both sets of strops down to 3 micron, and to go further than that I have other bench strops with 0.5 micron CrO2 powder as well as 0.25 micron diamond spray. Yeah, my edges are nice and shiny. What I found, has been the subject of many a debate in the sharpening discussions for a long time... what is better for general utility, a mirror polished edge or a slightly toothy micro serration edge? I have my Sebenza Insingo polished to a mirror shine with a 15 degree primary and 20 degree micro. It will tree top leg hair, whittle fine hair, push cut newsprint etc. You'd think this would be a perfect edge, but when I started cutting some paracord to make some bracelets and lanyards, you'd have thought I had a butter knife in my hand. The polished edge just didn't want to cut he cord. I would fold the cord over into a loop and pull it across the edge, and unless I put about 3-5 pounds (total estimate) of pressure, the cord would run right over the edge and barely cut into the outer sheath. I pulled out my BM 710 which I reprofiled to the same edge geometry as my Insingo, but haven't taken it past ceramic level sharpness. I folded the para cord into a loop and drug it across the edge, and it sliced it in two with the slightest of pressure. It was a night and day difference how much better the 710 cut than the Insingo. Now just for a level of comparison, my 710 will pop hair off my arm, but will not tree-top. It will whittle a coarse hair, but not fine hair. It will slice news print with ease, but not push cut it. So, long story short, I have decided that for my general use knives, I have no real need in taking the edge to such a mirrored polish. So, to 'help' my Sebenza a little, I proceeded to whip out my DMT diafold green, extra fine stone (I'm back in Afghanistan and the WEPS is at home) and gave the Insingo a few light passes on the micro bevel to bring it back down to a more useable grit. I'm much happier with the edge now. It will still shave and pop arm hair, but won't tree-top anymore. It will slice news print, but not push cut it. But the biggest difference is, it will now eat right through the para cord like it's a hot knife in butter. Much more utility friendly IMHO. So, I guess I've found my answer to the long debate of which is better, a mirror polish or a slightly toothy micro serrated edge??? For me, it's gotta be the micro serrations for my general, everyday tasks. As always, YMMV. While I like having a beautiful shiny mirror edge, I carry my knives to use them, and for my use, a mirror edge just isn't that useful. BTW, my Insingo still has a mirror primary, so it still looks nice. It's the micro bevel I brought back a few notches, so it has a bit more milky appearance. Anyway, that's my epiphany. :)
 
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One other thing I wanted to mention - I found that my paddles were getting too scattered. Went to the store and bought some plastic boxes that are used for storing art supplies. They fit the paddles very well, they seal up tight, keep the strops separated so they reduce cross-contamination - and they stack up nicely.

Highly recommended for OCD-afflicted sharpeners like us.

TedP

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Ahh yes great minds DO think alike;) I got mine at the local hardware store. I keep all the steps separate and still have room for the pivot arms, length gauge, some micro fiber cloths, markers and jewelers loop. Really makes for a nice clean well organized work space. Now if I can just get the downdraft air handlers installed ....:D
 
If/when, I just use the tapes. I've found no reason to strop after using the
6000 polishing tapes. If you look to the left of the DMT stone you'll see that
it's a set of 1200/8000 DMT's glued to blank handles. Those are the stones
I finish my edge with. They're a perfect fit to the WEPS system. If I polish
an edge
, I do that after the DMT 8000....which I've found unnecessary for
my uses. YMMV.

You can't order the blank handles from the site, you have to call to place the
order for those.

I think it should be a given that anyone that buys a WE or Edge Pro or has a big collection is just a touch ocd :) Do you use the tapes with the strops? Before or after? Is that a dmt stone turned face up?
 
If/when, I just use the tapes. I've found no reason to strop after using the
6000 polishing tapes. If you look to the left of the DMT stone you'll see that
it's a set of 1200/8000 DMT's glued to blank handles. Those are the stones
I finish my edge with. They're a perfect fit to the WEPS system. If I polish
an edge
, I do that after the DMT 8000....which I've found unnecessary for
my uses. YMMV.

You can't order the blank handles from the site, you have to call to place the
order for those.

I'm heading to Marlboro in two weeks to meet w/ DMT to provide exactly the 1200/8000 grit combo. I've got a set they made up for me and I love them.
 
I'm heading to Marlboro in two weeks to meet w/ DMT to provide exactly the 1200/8000 grit combo. I've got a set they made up for me and I love them.

Cool. The WEPS platform has got to be one of, if not the most "Active" sharpening platforms in the industry. More options to fit differing needs aimed at addressing the broadest possible spectrum of knife/sharpening hobbiests out there.
Kudos to Clay:thumbup:

As for Marlboro, I didn't even know that guy was still around. Gotta be old as dirt.
Clay, if you get a chance. Yell B00!, and steal his hat. He won't even notice.
I'll pay Big !:eek:
 
I'm heading to Marlboro in two weeks to meet w/ DMT to provide exactly the 1200/8000 grit combo. I've got a set they made up for me and I love them.

Way to go Clay! with this addition added to the Chosera and Shapton stones and the myriad of great sharpening compounds and strops, I believe your rig is nearing a pinnacle few other sharpeners, if any, have reached. A final touch here and there with the addition of the soon-to-be low angle settings device and perhaps a feature for sharpening tools and scissors and the WEPS will be unmatched. Huzzahs for you my friend! Who would have believed this a mere several months ago!

Warmest regards mate :thumbup:
Leo
 
Just wanted to say thanks to Clay for such a great product and continuing improvements. I got mine this week and still learning a bit - but I am very pleased.
 
any way to hold my order Clay until the new DMT 1200/8000? Gotta have it.

Depending on what your order consisted of, just add it too it! :thumbup:

Thats what is nice about the WEPS present and future improvements are additions to the system vs replacements.
 
I am currently deciding weather or not to buy the 800/1000 grit diamond stones, or just tape wet and dry sandpaper paper to the basic kit stones. i heard someone else did this, but you have to increase the angle by one degree for the increase thickness. don't know if that 1 degree changes the angle or not.
 
I am currently deciding weather or not to buy the 800/1000 grit diamond stones, or just tape wet and dry sandpaper paper to the basic kit stones. i heard someone else did this, but you have to increase the angle by one degree for the increase thickness. don't know if that 1 degree changes the angle or not.

I have done this and it works but not as well or as smoothly as the stones. For me I found it awkward to get the sandpaper resting on the paddles just so...I am at heart a lazy sharpener so I don't do this anymore. Having said that, it can do the job.
As to whether it is one degree more or whatever, really doesn't matter, so long as you get the edge you want or need. Does the number of degree variance of a half or 1 degree really matter in real world terms? Not much IMO!

Cheers
Leo
 
It only matters if you forget to adjust the rods to account for the difference. That's one of the big negatives with the Edge Pro Apex from what I've read. Many of their stones are different thicknesses, so each time you change your stones, you have to go back to the sharpie and adjust the angle until you're back in line.
 
I briefly discussed this with Medic1210 (thanks for the replies bud), but have any of you sharpened a Benchmade 710 or other slight recurved blade with the standard stones?

I'd like to reprofile the BM 710 and wasn't sure if my Wicked Edge was up to the task. I understand there are ceramic curved stones available, but I have my doubts that ceramics could reprofile a D2 blade.
 
Yes for sure! It matters when it affects the evenness of each side of the edge apex. Normal WEPS angle adjustment error is negligible using the nice, even hones, but there will be greater difference per side of the apex when using the water stones for example. They are slightly different thicknesses when cut before adhering to their substrate and secondly they will wear at different rates as they are used and flattened. The solution as suggested by Clay is the angle cube. I have one and it is as easy as pie to adjust each arm of WEPS so that each angle is precisely the same.
I have a complete set Chosera Water Stones from Jende Industries in Taiwan now and 8 blank paddles from Clay. This week- end I will glue them together with Ultra Glue Gel and start experimentation...and my angle cube is ready to go.
I was going to use double-sided tape, but instead decided on using this stuff, which from all accounts bonds metal and plastic very nicely without a mess using 1 drop per square inch.
4 drops along the length of each blank paddle insertion area should do the job. I am also buying a small plastic tub for soaking the stones and a spritzer bottle for relatively non-messy wetting down of the stones as the sharpening progresses.
I would never have thought last August, that I would be into sharpening to this degree but Clay and his rig have captured my imagination. As well, the guys who were EP users and WEPS guys have joined forces to advance sharpening and I find this very exciting. Hobnobbing with great people like Tom Blodgett and the other greats of sharpening is an education all in itself.

Cheers
Leo
 
I briefly discussed this with Medic1210 (thanks for the replies bud), but have any of you sharpened a Benchmade 710 or other slight recurved blade with the standard stones?

I'd like to reprofile the BM 710 and wasn't sure if my Wicked Edge was up to the task. I understand there are ceramic curved stones available, but I have my doubts that ceramics could reprofile a D2 blade.


It is my understanding that the curved paddles are diamonds on substrates not ceramic, but I may have to stand corrected on this. They would work I think. I sharpened a Fred Perrin Street Beat knife that I have with the ordinary paddles and it worked just fine. This knife is slightly recurved in the center of the blade.

Leo
 
I briefly discussed this with Medic1210 (thanks for the replies bud), but have any of you sharpened a Benchmade 710 or other slight recurved blade with the standard stones?

I'd like to reprofile the BM 710 and wasn't sure if my Wicked Edge was up to the task. I understand there are ceramic curved stones available, but I have my doubts that ceramics could reprofile a D2 blade.

Sweet... I just talked with Clay and he said it shouldn't be any problem using the regular stones on a slight recurve as found on the BM 710.

Very nice to be able to get Wicked Edge on the phone and definitely a pleasure to be able to speak with Clay.

Thanks again!
 
Yes for sure! It matters when it affects the evenness of each side of the edge apex. Normal WEPS angle adjustment error is negligible using the nice, even hones, but there will be greater difference per side of the apex when using the water stones for example. They are slightly different thicknesses when cut before adhering to their substrate and secondly they will wear at different rates as they are used and flattened. The solution as suggested by Clay is the angle cube. I have one and it is as easy as pie to adjust each arm of WEPS so that each angle is precisely the same.
I have a complete set Chosera Water Stones from Jende Industries in Taiwan now and 8 blank paddles from Clay. This week- end I will glue them together with Ultra Glue Gel and start experimentation...and my angle cube is ready to go.
I was going to use double-sided tape, but instead decided on using this stuff, which from all accounts bonds metal and plastic very nicely without a mess using 1 drop per square inch.
4 drops along the length of each blank paddle insertion area should do the job. I am also buying a small plastic tub for soaking the stones and a spritzer bottle for relatively non-messy wetting down of the stones as the sharpening progresses.
I would never have thought last August, that I would be into sharpening to this degree but Clay and his rig have captured my imagination. As well, the guys who were EP users and WEPS guys have joined forces to advance sharpening and I find this very exciting. Hobnobbing with great people like Tom Blodgett and the other greats of sharpening is an education all in itself.

Cheers
Leo

Leo,
Please make sure the glue you purchased is effective on polypropylene plastic - that is the material of the paddles. The Loctite gel I looked up is listed as not being effective with polypropylene. I would be interested to know which glue you ended up with.
-Clay
 
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