World War I Navy Issue Knife

Makes a lot of sense, Jack; thanks! :thumbup:
The problem was my initially misinterpreting your "length of the post" as indicating that my post (in particular, a consecutive string of emoticons) was too LONG, when your meaning was actually that my entire post was probably too SHORT! :eek::(
For Shakespeare, brevity may be the soul of wit, but that's not how the BF interface apparently works. :p

- GT
 
Makes a lot of sense, Jack; thanks! :thumbup:
The problem was my initially misinterpreting your "length of the post" as indicating that my post (in particular, a consecutive string of emoticons) was too LONG, when your meaning was actually that my entire post was probably too SHORT! :eek::(
For Shakespeare, brevity may be the soul of wit, but that's not how the BF interface apparently works. :p

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(So as not to de-rail Charlie's thread :o :thumbup:)

Edit - Sea Clocks - Harrison's Timekeeper No 4, 1759 (the ££20,000 prize winner), on the left, and the 1769 copy by Kendall.
 
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Now you know my secret! It took me years to develop that technique!!:D
 
They're 30 inches long Will, worn around the neck, under the collar to supposedly avoid a choking hazard, but I'll not be doing that with a sliding knot! :eek: Longer lanyards were worn around the waist, shorter ones around the shoulder :thumbup:

I wondered about that "around the neck" theme! Seems it leaves a person awful vulnerable to attack or accident!

Beautiful timepieces, Jack!!
 
I wondered about that "around the neck" theme! Seems it leaves a person awful vulnerable to attack or accident!

Beautiful timepieces, Jack!!

The knife lanyard is still part of the British Navy dress/parade uniform Charlie, and what I suspect is that, in the past, it was a fixed knot, and that has changed for the sake of convenience when getting 'dressed-up'. In WW2 photos, I've commonly seen the knife secured around the waist, but apparently the lanyard was the 30" neck lanyard. Contemporary sailors look a bit too well fed for that! ;)

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I'm afraid, the sea-clocks are just photos on a postcard Charlie. The story of their development makes for fascinating reading if you ever get a chance though :)

Edit - Adding a basic link for anyone who is interested - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
 
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The knife lanyard is still part of the British Navy dress/parade uniform Charlie, and what I suspect is that, in the past, it was a fixed knot, and that has changed for the sake of convenience when getting 'dressed-up'. In WW2 photos, I've commonly seen the knife secured around the waist, but apparently the lanyard was the 30" neck lanyard. Contemporary sailors look a bit too well fed for that! ;)


I'm afraid, the sea-clocks are just photos on a postcard Charlie. The story of their development makes for fascinating reading if you ever get a chance though :)

Edit - Adding a basic link for anyone who is interested - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison

Your picture makes me wonder if the increased use of bayonets had anything to do with the trend of smaller navy knives with nail files? It would be hard to pluck out a splinter with one of those...
 
Your picture makes me wonder if the increased use of bayonets had anything to do with the trend of smaller navy knives with nail files? It would be hard to pluck out a splinter with one of those...

I don't think the large Rope Knives were ever intended to be used as weapons, but at the time of WW1, I imagine there would have been less and less use for a large knife of this type (though other navies kept their large knives much later). The small knives were certainly lighter to carry (and easier to swim with! :eek:), and bearing in mind the common addition of a nail-file, I wonder if they were intended more as a general purpose sailor's knife, which had distinct and traditional naval styling, but was perhaps more practical in terms of a 20th century sailor's real needs? I dare say that at a pinch, you could even shave with that blade :D :thumbup:
 
My apologies for unwittingly causing a button controversy :rolleyes:

I received some British Navy lanyards today. They are 30" long and have one fixed knot and one sliding knot.



One might be able to fashion something useful out of one of these :thumbup:

That is the design I used as well. I just didn't see the practical need for something so big. I like your metal lanyard with a whistle - very period correct. I need to show the knots I use at the bail.

My absenteeism, is because my mother was having thrombosis and turned out she had 100% blockage, roto-rootered her other blockages and got two stints. I seriously thought she might stroke out on the table. Luckily my buddy is one of the nations best vascular surgeons. Charles Moomey. First my son and then this - my plate has been full as a father and son.

Your words more than made my 'problem' of no pins be solved. I too was told one in five for pins from GEC, but I kept 8 of the 12. I love these knives so much and cannot stop thinking about those pins to go with my collection.

On top of that, I got a nice PM from a generous man whom took it upon himself to act generously. You know who you are and thanks so much.
 


(So as not to de-rail Charlie's thread :o :thumbup:)

Edit - Sea Clocks - Harrison's Timekeeper No 4, 1759 (the ££20,000 prize winner), on the left, and the 1769 copy by Kendall.

Those are great horological pieces. One of my favorite pics I the thread, but I'm an horological fanatic.
 
Sounds like you've really had a lot on your plate HST, I hope everything is going to be OK :thumbup:

Thanks for the kind words :)

 
I'm managing. Just glad to be here and relieve some stress looking and talking knives.

You're always so polite. Thank you, Jack.

I hope one day we all sit on "the front porch" comparing knives, grilling food, and telling stories. A pocket knife rendezvous, if you will.
 
I hope one day we all sit on "the front porch" comparing knives, grilling food, and telling stories. A pocket knife rendezvous, if you will.

Thank you :) That would certainly be a dream come true :) :thumbup:
 
I suspect not Charlie! :D As you know, I spend a lot of time pondering things like this! :o :D

While it may look strange and antiquated to many today, the square-end is one of our oldest and longest-lived blade shapes, seen on many types of knife throughout history, and was even fashionable once. The esteemed cutlery historian Simon Moore tells us that during the Commonwealth of Oliver Cromwell "knife points, like religious images, seem to have been disfavoured", with square-ended blades, which usually widened towards the tip, being the fashion. It was during this same period that there was a popular revival of folding knives, encouraged by the invention of the spring knife, which may have been as early as the beginning of the 17th century (though it is usually ascribed to later in the century). Moore tells us that in the 1670's, square-ended folding razors and pocket knives of similar form were carried. The knives had a curl at the end of the handle, which supported the little finger, suggesting that the square-ended "razor-knives" also doubled as shaving implements (with the common addition of a nail-file blade, I've wondered if it was ever considered that the shorter US Navy Knife might double as a razor?) The square-ended knife seems to have been considered a perfectly useful blade-shape in many walks of life, not just among sailor's, so it is possible we are asking the wrong questions. It may seem strange to our modern eyes that people generally carried knives without central points, but the history of knives is dominated by in-line points, not by spearpoints, and people seem to have found them entirely satisfactory for all manner of things, not just cutting rope :)


I came across this in one of the Sheffield museums today, even they don't know if it's a knife, razor, or both. Made by William Marsh in Sheffield between 1693 and 1710.

 
Such a beautiful knife/razor - whatever it is! How long is it, Jack?
 
As is typical for the Sheffield museums, there's barely any information anout the knife, and I don't have an uncropped pic unfortunately. From memory though, I would guess about the 3" mark Charlie. I'll have a search online and see if I can find out anymore :thumbup:
 
I can't find it in their online archive Charlie, but thought this might be of interest :thumbup:

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A folding knife with a horn handle made by Thomas Wilson of Sheffield in the late 1600s. The knife blade has been inscribed 'Lend mee not long where cookes are throng' and is also marked with an image of a flower and '1679'. It can be interpreted as meaning ‘cooks might steal me, because I am such a good knife’. There was a fashion for inscribing knife blades with sayings and verses in the 1600 and 1700s. Thomas Wilson registered his mark with the Cutlers' Company in 1678.
 
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