Would it be dishonest?

Revolverrodger · Oct 30, 2015

Esav Benyamin said:
The year is for defcts in manufacture to show up, not for a tirekicker to finally decide he deserves a more elegant knife. Did you think you were renting it? I don't believe returning it is right at all.

I agree with this

rcb2000 · Oct 30, 2015

Surfingringo said:
If I were you I would just sell the knife on the exchange. You might have to take $20 less but you won't have to wonder if you did the right thing.

This.
I would say if it was a month,, fine.. But a year is a LONG time for a test drive.

Boggs · Oct 30, 2015

You've used it...it's yours...........returning it is dishonest after a year just because you want a different knife.

James Y · Oct 30, 2015

I agree with those who say it would be more honest if you sold the knife. I sure as hell would not want to buy a knife "new" that somebody else owned and used for a year. Just like I wouldn't want a "new" pair of shoes from a store that some guy had kept for a year and worn 'from time to time'. You're expecting the dealer to eat the cost of your indecision. Even if they were willing to honor it, I don't think it would be fair or right at all.

Jim

JeremiahWeaver09 · Oct 30, 2015

MastersOfDefense said:
Spyderco Lum Chinese (one of my EDC favorites), is one of them. If you get a normal price they are about $120 dollars on ebay (new). Before they were discontinued, they were about the same price new.

damn i didnt realize the spyderco lums were discontinued, i just ordered one from ebay to make sure i have one

whp · Oct 30, 2015

Danke42 said:
$100 for that knife seems pretty normal.

What are the better knives that are leading you feel that's not a fair price (and how much did they cost)?

You ve gotten used to the BM map pricing policy. That was a 70.00 knife prior to the pricing policy change. The 65.00 Buck Vantage Pro is an equivalent knife with worse fit and finish, but better materials. The Spyderco endure at 75.00 is equivalent. Ther are many other examples to show that with few exceptions , Benchmade knives are currently overpriced. And the Griptilian is one of my favorite knives!

killgar · Oct 30, 2015

I regard matters of right and wrong, or honesty and dishonesty, as a matter of personal conscience, not something you decide by public opinion poll.

The fact that you asked the question leads me to believe that you already suspect that returning the knife would be wrong. Follow your conscience.

After all, what else does a man have to guide him in life but his conscience. A man cannot go through life depending on others to always tell him what is right, and what is wrong.

MastersOfDefense · Oct 30, 2015

EChoil said:
I look at it differently.

If this is a case where a retailer has given you a one year period of refund, no questions asked, in order to lure you to buy the knife in the first place, hell yes do it. If you aren't satisfied with the knife after a year, return it to them just like they asked you to do.

If not, most places won't deal with that if it's not in re-sellable condition so they can pawn it off on the next guy.

If it's the former, don't even feel bad about it. They'll make money on your knife one way or the other.

Thanks! I did not feel I was being dishonest, that was their policy. I feel I got ripped off, the knife had blade play when purchased, which made me sick. It also had some light scratches as I said, causing me to feel the knife wasn't brand new. I was hesitant to return the knife because the store was far away. Thanks again for the advice!

Codger_64 · Oct 30, 2015

MastersOfDefense said:
I'll also add I received the knife with two small scratches on the blade (no big deal), and up and down blade play (big deal for me). These are big reasons I want to return the knife.

IMHO you should have done that a year ago.

MastersOfDefense said:
Isn't it normal to carry the knife and use it to find if the knife is good for you? Anyways thanks for the advice!

It is normal that after buying a knife and carrying it for a year, then deciding you don't like it, to put it in a drawer or gift or sell your now used knife on to someone who will like to have it. Taking advantage of a manufacturer's or retailer's generous warranty policy after owning and using for a year is not cool in my book. Evidently you don't think so either or you wouldn't be asking us here.

singularity35 · Oct 30, 2015

MastersOfDefense said:
Isn't it normal to carry the knife and use it to find if the knife is good for you? Anyways thanks for the advice!

Then you'll be returning a used knife and wanting a refund or a new one in return.

I'd say very dishonest but if they allow you to return it with full disclosure on your part....go for it.

Neko2 · Oct 30, 2015

REI has a very generous return policy and sells those returned items at their garage sale at a deep discount. It's part of being a member.
But if there's nothing wrong with it and you just don't like it... I don't see how that's their fault and it does feel a bit wrong.

Surfingringo · Oct 30, 2015

killgar said:
I regard matters of right and wrong, or honesty and dishonesty, as a matter of personal conscience, not something you decide by public opinion poll.

The fact that you asked the question leads me to believe that you already suspect that returning the knife would be wrong. Follow your conscience.

After all, what else does a man have to guide him in life but his conscience. A man cannot go through life depending on others to always tell him what is right, and what is wrong.

^ This exactly. Seems he got the answer he was looking for though.

bflying · Oct 30, 2015

I would just be honest with the supplier, and see if they would take in for store credit of some amount, or outright trade for something else. I agree that warrantee's and return periods are really for defect, not remorse. (Or spite....a Seinfeld thing [emoji1]).

But, I would say if you kind of liked the knife, and/or function, check out the HK Axis. Similar sized frame, but with G10 scales. I really don't like the plastic-y look and feel of the Grips either. But the HK took care of that. Made by Benchmade, and have both regular size and mini also. Available in black and now sand g10.

RevDevil · Oct 30, 2015

Esav Benyamin said:
The year is for defcts in manufacture to show up, not for a tirekicker to finally decide he deserves a more elegant knife. Did you think you were renting it? I don't believe returning it is right at all.

I agree. It's not exactly a well written or well thought out policy in my opinion to begin with. If you've had it for a year, then that makes it yours. You know how long it takes most people to decide whether They like and are going to keep a knife? About 15 seconds. Seriously. This is like buying a pair of shoes, wearing them for a year and then saying, but they wear out too fast, get dirty too quick, etc. borderline ridiculous.

MastersOfDefense said:
Thanks! I did not feel I was being dishonest, that was their policy. I feel I got ripped off, the knife had blade play when purchased, which made me sick. It also had some light scratches as I said, causing me to feel the knife wasn't brand new. I was hesitant to return the knife because the store was far away. Thanks again for the advice!

Weak dude, seriously. He says the 2 small scratches on the knife are no big deal, but that is why he wants a return? Did the knife not lock up . Did it not cut? Was it falling out of your pocket? Did it ever fail to perform anything you needed to do with it? Come on man... Threads like this make people sick.

fencepost · Oct 30, 2015

If you got to ask, then yes its dishonest, if it were myself I would keep it and move on,
Next time spend more time deciding if the knife is right for you or not then consider the quality
and workmanship.

At this point just toss it in the tackle or tool box and use it,
most likely if used properly it will out last the owner.

MastersOfDefense · Oct 30, 2015

For those saying I should of returned the knife long ago, that was my first "expensive knife". I used to literally collect swap meet knives before I saved up and bought this knife. I did not know what quality was. My taste has only recently matured and realized what junk this knife is (in my opinion). I was hesitant to return the knife now because that was my special first "expensive knife". Mainly I want to return the knife because I feel I was cheated, I realize the knife probably wasn't new because of the problems I stated. I feel I should return to REI a used knife because I feel a bought a used knife in the first place. Besides, that IS what the retail outlet offers. I just can't live with the fact that I bought a "new" knife for $100, even if it was slightly "special" to me.

Poez · Oct 30, 2015

I have a number of knives that I own for months and sometimes for years now and have got bored with. I do not think I can sell them now for the same money that new knives go for. So do you think guys that it would be reasonable to simply return them to the manufacturer rather than trying to sell? I think it makes sense and even more so for used knives which usually sell cheaper!
So why people sell knives?

EChoil · Oct 30, 2015

Surfingringo said:
I have to agree with Esav. What is the store going to do with the knife when you return it? Would you want to buy a knife as new that someone had owned for a year and actually carried and used some? So if they don't sell it then do they just eat the expense because you changed your mind after a year? Would that seem fair to you if you were a small business owner and the roles were reversed? Sometimes I find that when faced with these dilemmas the answers suddenly become clear when I put myself in the other persons shoes.......

Likely the first thing the store will do is determine if they can make it first on the out-shelf for the next buyer. Someone else receiving it as "new" is not the OP's problem or fault. That part is on the retailer who would re-offer the return. One of my pet peeves and probably deserving of a separate thread.

If it isn't re-sellable it'll likely be discounted to someone, still at a profit. At worst returned to the factory for credit.

With all due respect to you, Senneca and Essav, I haven't been an REI member for a while but they used to be very liberal on returns---as good as anyone. It's part of the advantage of being a member there.

If the OP is wise enough to buy at such a place, and likely at MSRP (or close) to boot, there's no reason he can't take advantage of the return policy. They tell him to take a year to decide...he decides.

You guys certainly have your points, but having read the OP's #1, he doesn't sound like the type to really do that maliciously. I believe him.

Sometimes one CAN take advantage of some of these great policies offered by large-group buyer retailers. It's one of the advantages they tout. It brings them customers.

singularity35 · Oct 30, 2015

Hehehe this is a ridiculous thread.

Guy comes here wanting help(moral support) in ripping off a retailer and you comedians tell him his character is lacking.

:foot:

This is me piling on.

MastersOfDefense · Oct 30, 2015

RevDevil said:
I agree. It's not exactly a well written or well thought out policy in my opinion to begin with. If you've had it for a year, then that makes it yours. You know how long it takes most people to decide whether They like and are going to keep a knife? About 15 seconds. Seriously. This is like buying a pair of shoes, wearing them for a year and then saying, but they wear out too fast, get dirty too quick, etc. borderline ridiculous.

Weak dude, seriously. He says the 2 small scratches on the knife are no big deal, but that is why he wants a return? Did the knife not lock up . Did it not cut? Was it falling out of your pocket? Did it ever fail to perform anything you needed to do with it? Come on man... Threads like this make people sick.

Did we forget the blade play? I respect you sir, but I feel this comment was a little biased.